00:12:44 <SuperPizza> ...and also elfutils requiring 3 extra packages and some patches, just to build.
00:20:49 <zedmatrix> i found another space eater... /usr/lib/python 
00:23:04 <SuperPizza> ahhh... and building Python with PGO is a mess
00:26:18 <zedmatrix> but sofar overall its at 2.3G, gonna see how much the kernel modules add
00:30:55 <SuperPizza> The Musl Python Build w/ PGO: `make PROFILE_TASK="-m test --pgo --ignore 'test.test_re.ReTests.test_locale_caching' --ignore 'test.test_re.ReTests.test_locale_compiled'"`
00:32:20 <SuperPizza> I'm hijacking the testsuite to ignore failing tests
00:32:50 <SuperPizza> o_O
00:44:00 <SuperPizza> see ya
01:51:57 <zedmatrix> oh boy, ran into a catch 22 ... need to generate a new initramfs to mount the filesystem
02:45:38 <zedmatrix> Moody: wow that is nice https://bpa.st/OUHQ
04:54:49 <zedmatrix> ugg mkpasswd variations :)
06:20:45 <dantob> the latest changeset to lfs systemd has a date set in the future, is it supposed to be 2025-06-15? https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/systemd/chapter01/changelog.html
06:37:25 <zedmatrix> it is the june 15, 2025
06:38:24 <zedmatrix> heh must be a typo
06:38:30 <dantob> the date actually says 2025-06-25 
06:40:32 <zedmatrix> well the 1 and 2 are beside each other :)
08:24:23 <SuperPizza> hey
08:24:23 <Sploosh> Hey SuperPizza
08:24:30 <SuperPizza> :)
08:35:43 <Moody> For sure a typo. Date fixed.
08:42:20 <SuperPizza> hi
08:42:20 <Sploosh> Hello SuperPizza
08:42:30 <SuperPizza> whyy
09:10:27 <dantob> Moody: thanks
09:12:40 <SuperPizza> I'm ready to build systemd (amost), but I can't
09:12:59 <SuperPizza> I'll use other things...
11:18:50 <SuperPizza> Do I have a 1GB LFS build???
11:19:16 <SuperPizza> 1,837,594,409 bytes - 741,193,815 bytes (sources)
11:20:52 <SuperPizza> yep, /usr is 908MiB
11:21:05 <SuperPizza> post-strip
11:26:27 <zedmatrix> you could check out mdevd 
11:28:53 <SuperPizza> anyway, there are 2 things missing )mostly)
11:29:09 <SuperPizza> 1 - Init and 2 - kernel
15:27:01 <zedmatrix> Sup3rPizza: have you checked out my init, and i have tryed busybox too
15:32:10 <Sup3rPizza> no?
15:34:11 <zedmatrix> i have been playing around with init and squashfs
15:34:50 <SuperPizza> oh. I saw that there's another option to systemd.
15:35:48 <zedmatrix> https://gitlab.com/zed-linuxfromscratch/live-iso
15:36:12 <SuperPizza> cool
15:36:18 <zedmatrix> i have been using system-v, but you can replace the udevd with mdevd
15:38:01 <SuperPizza> I know there's eudev too?
15:38:38 <zedmatrix> yea haven't looked at that yet
15:39:10 <zedmatrix> i just pushed a couple of new ones i was just testing yesterday.... init-simple
15:39:56 <SuperPizza> And if you need systemd for some reason, there's another option too, but it lacks a few things.
15:40:25 <SuperPizza> https://github.com/InitWare/InitWare
15:42:25 <SuperPizza> It seems to not be maintained much currently.
15:44:02 <zedmatrix> well i did start with a systemd
16:16:11 <zedmatrix> hmm it looks like my new squashfs without python/test and gcc debug is gonna be small
16:18:08 <zedmatrix> SuperPizza: i have 2 versions of live iso 
16:29:39 <SuperPizza> okay
16:30:05 <zedmatrix> cool a cd size 690M
16:30:26 <SuperPizza> Without the kernel, I had 908 MB total.
16:40:34 <zedmatrix> you could try it out https://bit.ly/4l2cyV7
16:42:23 <SuperPizza> hmm
16:49:41 <zedmatrix> hmm maybe dropbox isnt good, you have click download 
17:02:20 <zedmatrix> hmm nice just fits: Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 6459
17:29:19 <zedmatrix> just had to add : nomodeset : to the kernel grub line
17:46:36 <nsITobin> hi :(
17:49:43 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: hi some new updates https://gitlab.com/zed-linuxfromscratch/live-iso :)
17:50:05 <zedmatrix> man cds are slow 
17:52:31 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: tho i gotta go thru the config and remove the kms modesetting modules 
18:05:34 <nsITobin> i'll check it out in a little bit
18:05:43 <nsITobin> that elderly cat did pass away last night
18:05:51 <nsITobin> so its been kinda sucky today
18:06:45 <SuperPizza> oh. I know this
18:07:01 <SuperPizza> I had one of our cats die sometime ago.
18:10:18 <zedmatrix> hopefully it was quick :(
18:47:10 <SuperPizza> I looked at it, and there are a lot of discussions about GCC15 issues
18:50:28 <zedmatrix> yea that is why i stuck with gcc14 for the live isos
18:56:02 <SuperPizza> Almost all packages work OOTB, but Bash needs a beta version, and Musl causes some more packages to fail.
18:59:33 <zedmatrix> yea i went down to bash 5.2.37 for the iso version cause of issues with rc versions
19:00:36 <zedmatrix> its nice to have a stable iso that fits on a cd with git, rsync, wget, and a full build suite
21:16:09 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: the biggest thing is to get a good kernel config for a live iso 
21:19:12 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: it was a peaceful passing though the process is not quick but he had planned out what he wanted to do and I made sure he got where he wanted but it is tough
21:19:49 <nsITobin> this cat had a very distinct presence and personality
21:20:30 <nsITobin> if it had been tramatic or was in pain that is one thing but this wasn't that but it was hard.
21:21:55 <zedmatrix> yea like 8 years or so i lost my spca rescue, its tough
21:24:58 <djph> nsITobin: old cat just being old type thing?
21:24:59 <zedmatrix> damn it has been so nice using the zlfs-chroot script 
21:25:22 <nsITobin> djph: he had a few problems but this decline happened very suddenly
21:31:02 <nsITobin> so what is your recommended kconfig for live compact discs?
21:31:37 <djph> nsITobin: aw, shame.  Had one cat that just woke up dead on us.  That was ... a morning ... 
21:33:16 <nsITobin> natural death has a distinct process once it begins as long as there is no suffering it is best to let it run its course anything else would just be tramatic
21:34:02 <nsITobin> and do whatever you can to make it as comfortable and stress free as possible
21:34:05 <djph> nsITobin: yeah, I mean she was fine on sunday(?) night, and then next morning "uhhh, she didn't come running for food... wtf??"
21:36:30 <nsITobin> what..
21:37:34 <zedmatrix> now i just need to check out using the firmware blobs
21:37:45 <nsITobin> blobs
21:37:48 <nsITobin> love that word
21:37:55 <nsITobin> not for this meaning just the word in general
21:38:00 <nsITobin> it is fun to say and even type
21:38:04 <nsITobin> blob blob blob
21:38:31 <zedmatrix> or maybe trim this one a bit more and haveit like a minimum cd size builder
21:38:58 <zedmatrix> possibly have the lfs docs on it
21:39:08 <zedmatrix> since links works
21:39:24 <nsITobin> just get nochunks
21:39:36 <nsITobin> tthat way they can just scroll
21:40:53 <zedmatrix> tho is was so slow coping the squashfs to ram on my hp pavilion using a cd 
21:40:59 <zedmatrix> *it
21:42:15 <zedmatrix> did some readme work too https://gitlab.com/zed-linuxfromscratch/live-iso
21:43:09 <zedmatrix> the major strip > gcc and removing /lib/python/tests
21:43:30 <zedmatrix> i also removed usr/share/doc
21:44:12 <zedmatrix> i left the man pages so they would have offline man checks
21:51:11 <zedmatrix> woah about 5minutes to copy to ram
22:25:47 <SuperPizza> autotools make no sense to me... They make absolutely HUGE shell scripts/Makefiles, and in one case, it took LONGER to configure than to build the actual package...
22:33:11 <zedmatrix> lol yea the configure script sometimes runs like 4 -5 times just like in binutils :)
23:31:42 <nsITobin> SuperPizza: macros
23:31:46 <nsITobin> is why autohell
23:31:49 <nsITobin> m4 macros
23:31:52 <SuperPizza> yea
23:32:02 <nsITobin> get a handle on m4 and you can master autohell
23:33:22 <nsITobin> but have to admit configure with prefix make make install with destdir is rather nice to have standard almost universally amongst the stuff
23:35:07 <SuperPizza> and I don't see why configure must do most of what it does. Like, why check if x function or header exists?
23:41:23 <djph> SuperPizza: so that it can properly create the makefile ...