00:17:48 <nsITobin> malina: I am american
00:18:01 <nsITobin> whatever the hell that means at this point
00:18:11 <nsITobin> i haven't been sure since 9/11
00:18:41 <malina> did you think that people wpouild do thaty for nor reeason?
00:19:00 <malina> '91
00:19:04 <malina> i what we see now
00:19:16 <malina> 34 years os just over a thiors of a centruy
00:19:22 <malina> tthird
00:20:38 <nsITobin> i use inspircd with atheme services
00:20:55 <nsITobin> and yeah i know what you mean about people the world and tech
00:21:14 <nsITobin> i been bitching about it since 2010
01:24:25 <zedmatrix> it might be smaller, the musl temp tools> 2.0G    ./usr
01:57:31 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: cool qemu/qterminal crashed or something
02:31:10 <nsITobin> https://gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-os/baseos/-/blob/TRUNK/mach?ref_type=heads
02:31:16 <nsITobin> that's a little better
02:31:47 <nsITobin> i spent too many years typing mach build or mach package mach this mach that.. fuckin mozilla.. but that's shell mach lol
02:33:09 <nsITobin> i like this version cause i can just expand by adding more and more functions and they Just Work(tm)
04:27:38 <zedmatrix> welcome back ax562
04:27:55 <ax562> ha, just the person I wanted to chat with.
04:29:05 <zedmatrix> odd i had qemu/qterminal crash on me with oom 
04:29:20 <zedmatrix> but it wasn't doing anything tho
04:29:58 <ax562> Your iso works but I thought it had a DE.  I was able to see the mouse pointer but at the time I did not have any internet connection so I was really able to do much.  It loaded very fast.  The only thing is when I typed "reboot" it hung and did not reboot so I had to manually power off.
04:31:11 <zedmatrix> was this a vm? or bare?
04:31:25 <ax562> I always add the kernel .config of the penguins as well.  I forget the actual line for the penguin
04:31:26 <zedmatrix> and did you get an ip addr ? 
04:31:29 <ax562> it was bare
04:32:10 <ax562> I didn't have internet but I can try to connect later if you'd like.  
04:32:23 <ax562> I think you installed dhcpd right?
04:32:42 <ax562> I don't see why I wouldn't have an IP if I connected.
04:32:50 <zedmatrix> yea and it has an auto ifconfig sysv script to detect the net interface
04:33:23 <zedmatrix> the only things i put on it was gpm and links
04:33:59 <ax562> ah I see.  It should work then.  I haven't played with a SysV in years to be honest (well I tried devuan for a bit but their stock firefox kept crashing on me).
04:34:02 <zedmatrix> i haveto see if i can avoid cmake/llvm for an X display
04:34:26 <ax562> Wait, but there is not a DE right?
04:34:28 <zedmatrix> i was playing with the iso and musl
04:34:41 <zedmatrix> no de
04:35:25 <zedmatrix> but its nice to have a 700M LFS builder that is non persistent, meaning you don't really need the LFS user
04:35:25 <ax562> How hard would it be to create an iso with a DE?  I think that would be a lfs game changer :)
04:36:02 <ax562> Yeas, I have the iso now in my tool box
04:36:31 <zedmatrix> the DE would haveto have a bit of firmware and drivers for graphical env.
04:37:16 <ax562> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.  Couldn't you just add most of the amd/intel/invidia drivers from the linux git?
04:37:51 <ax562> as modules
04:38:21 <zedmatrix> yea but i was trying to get it down to CD sized
04:38:40 <zedmatrix> tho it does have git
04:38:51 <ax562> Maybe 2 versions?  TBH it was really smooth loading up.
04:39:13 <ax562> Oh, yeah I seen that and links and lynx right?
04:39:29 <ax562> I forget which one is the better of the 2
04:39:43 <zedmatrix> oh thats good on one of mine i think i had to use nomodeset on the grub cmd line
04:39:55 <zedmatrix> links  has better mouse support 
04:40:23 <ax562> I built 1 of the 2 but I built the one I never built and was wating do dl things which I didn't like.  I believe I built the not so good one.
04:41:12 <ax562> wait let me check
04:41:14 <zedmatrix> but if i include the firmware blob the gfx should work, its tweaking the .config
04:42:18 <zedmatrix> that is one reason i chose the 6.6.39 kernel, fewer options 
04:43:42 <ax562> where would links or lynx live?  I do not see in /usr/bin
04:44:06 <ax562> What's the latest kernel for lfs?
04:44:11 <ax562> 6.13?
04:44:56 <zedmatrix> i think the dev is using 6.14
04:45:46 <ax562> 6.13.4
04:45:55 <ax562> at least when I built in april
04:46:23 <ax562> That kernel version had the most options I have ever seen.
04:47:01 <zedmatrix> yea when i run : make listnewconfig : on a 6.6 vs 6.13  :)
04:48:19 <zedmatrix> link<tab> should be there
04:48:58 <zedmatrix> tho i mightof uploaded the wrong one, i have so many variants around 
04:50:16 <ax562> how blind am I, /usr/bin/lynx is what I used.  I like links better
04:52:52 <zedmatrix> even has which 
04:54:58 <zedmatrix> it'll take you awhile just to figure out all the toys on it :)
12:24:29 <SuperPizza> GUYS
12:24:33 <SuperPizza> I BOOTED IT!
12:35:19 <Moody> ok, fine
12:52:10 <zedmatrix> nice
12:58:09 <SuperPizza> I'll add a DM/DE probably
14:17:38 <zedmatrix> ok gonna try some gcc-15 optimizations 
14:29:18 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: sup ? writing custom scripts as i build gcc 15
14:34:11 <nsITobin> Oh just waking up cleaning gonna go to the store
14:34:42 <nsITobin> need to convert shmach into posix
14:34:48 <nsITobin> it is too bash right now
14:34:54 <nsITobin> all scripts should be posix
14:35:23 <nsITobin> ... good thing I have bigger fish to fry.. i could deff go on that crusade zedmatrix 
14:39:37 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: i thought 15 was causing issues?
14:44:29 <zedmatrix> nah it was the LFS_TGT var, i had -gnu instead of -musl 
14:44:53 <zedmatrix> what u using shmach for?
14:45:06 <nsITobin> command runner
14:45:18 <nsITobin> what python mach does just not utterly shit
14:45:45 <nsITobin> my script basically prefixes $1 and executes or can't find it.. and it is extended simply by adding a new function
14:45:48 <nsITobin> simple
14:45:50 <nsITobin> effective
14:46:01 <nsITobin> and called mach because muscle memory is a bitch
14:46:03 <nsITobin> ;)
14:46:24 <nsITobin> https://gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-os/baseos/-/blob/TRUNK/mach?ref_type=heads
14:47:07 <nsITobin> really should by default exit with $? but i just now thought of that
14:47:47 <nsITobin> also realized i need to fix my manual build cause stage3 packages won't be reletive that way
14:47:50 <nsITobin> but you get the idea
14:47:54 <zedmatrix> ahh a wrapper for building the stages?
14:48:13 <nsITobin> for whatever i need new commands are just automagically functions
14:48:17 <nsITobin> it is kinda nifty
14:48:19 <nsITobin> for any purpose
14:48:40 <nsITobin> i'll expand the make side rather than doing it from the mach side
14:48:41 <zedmatrix> i should also add a tar -tf head -1 to my script too
14:49:15 <nsITobin> i could rename it to ntsetup
14:49:16 <zedmatrix> to determine if i should strip-components
14:49:17 <nsITobin> :P
14:49:54 <zedmatrix> testing out > export CFLAGS="-Os -pipe"
14:51:47 <nsITobin> so the scratch build scripts and we have res for whatever and packages/[package-name]/package.spec for the rpms.. feels like spinning in circles tho.. but I am deff getting somewhere
14:52:03 <nsITobin> since I changed it last night
14:53:41 <zedmatrix> good
14:53:52 <nsITobin> i am deeming snowball stage 1 as the ch4-7 stuff.. stage 2 is ch8-10 and stage 3 could be considered blfs but i wouldn't call it that.. stage 3 is to get rpm and some utils going
14:54:12 <nsITobin> stage 4 is rpms them selves.. and stage 5 is composition.. where the wim bullshit comes in
14:54:43 <nsITobin> i have a plan.. or rather i am planning the plan as it is planned
14:54:55 <nsITobin> more than a concept of a plan.. to be sure!
14:56:28 <nsITobin> if i had known about lfs in 2014 there would be no Pale Moon only Linux.
14:57:39 <zedmatrix> just build it 
14:57:57 <nsITobin> aside from nomansland the only alternative i knew about that was as close to diy was gentoo but i didn't want to just trade one higher level system for another even if it has all the flags in the world
14:59:52 <nsITobin> for me this is the correct path
15:01:51 <nsITobin> why would I use suse or gentoo or anything over Windows.. unless... i could do it my self and make changes as I see fit.. that and the windows ecosystem like most are dying a slow death and of course it was all a cage anyway.. and a very good cage for a good while.. 
15:02:23 <nsITobin> but a cage never the less with false freedoms and illusions about development
15:10:54 <zedmatrix> ok this is where things could get dicey, the chapter 6 packages
15:18:21 <zedmatrix> sofar no prob with m4 or ncurses
15:27:42 <zedmatrix> ok recommended to use bash-5.3-rc2 with musl and gcc-15.1
16:15:49 <zedmatrix> i little bump in gcc-15 and make
17:01:45 <quitman> my holiday started today. my goal is to get lfs up and running before i start working again :P but well well, we'll see
17:06:05 <nsITobin> bbl
17:07:19 <Moody> quitman, it depends on cpu power (how fast will the compiler run), your accuracy (how often you'll need to start over) and endurance (when get bored ;-) )
17:09:03 <zedmatrix> quitman: to build LFS by the book wont take too much time its how much you want to spend building LFS :)
17:09:19 <zedmatrix> sup Moody ?
17:12:28 <Moody> well, nowadays, a LFS build is a matter of a few hours. I know the days doing LFS on a 486DX, the kernel alone took many hours, as well as gcc and such beasts
17:13:13 <zedmatrix> yea i hope building the final gcc/binutils/musl will be too 
17:17:13 <zedmatrix> Moody: the livecd is nice, still needs a bit of .config tweaking but having it at <700mb is nice
17:48:40 <zedmatrix> welcome back ax562 :)
17:49:04 <ax562> Sup zed?  How goes it?
17:53:14 <zedmatrix> just built gcc-15.1-musl, tho its upto end of chapter 7, just a bump at make with 3 minor patches
17:57:00 <zedmatrix> also i built 5-7 as root :)
18:08:35 <ax562> what are the benefits of gcc-musl vs gcc?
18:12:53 <ax562> It be nice if they told us what "musl" stands for.  Multi use system libraries?
18:47:15 <zedmatrix> dunno, just something new... https://musl.libc.org/
19:00:08 <ax562> yeah, that's what I was reading earlier.  You would think they would at least mention what "musl" stands for.  Their wiki doesn't mention either.
19:02:59 <zedmatrix> yea i didn't see anything in the wiki either
19:03:43 <ax562> so why use musl?  
19:05:11 <zedmatrix> just something new to try with LFS
19:19:40 <ax562> have you noticed any performance difference?
19:22:47 <zedmatrix> i just compressed the temptools at 550M, so i haveto go back to see if its different from one of my backups
19:25:05 <zedmatrix> the multilib temp tools is 1.2G
19:37:00 <ax562> bbl
22:12:14 <nsITobin> it's my linux and i want it now!