nsITobin: its funny, until the stable book pushs to gcc-15 its good to have that live iso with gcc-14

update my Xorg packages+links github.com/zedmatrix/ZirconiumOS/tree/main/stage4

i still want x11 to be a unified tree

not a bunch of disprate libs and pieces in a fetchquest

i guess i could do a destdir install on the xorg-libs and package that as a single tar

zedmatrix: I was talking source code for my fork

cause as much as I .. well basically gave them the idea to fork x11.. that idea was I would lead it LOL

silly forkers

forkin around

well if you want to play around > stage4-xinit.tree is the post LFS tree i followed

Well at least I didn't get dragged into serving an insane bunch of visionless losers for almost a decade.. again

except for cracklib

and i think we need moar than just one x11 fork

nsITobin: which project had you servicing visionless losers?

we need at LEAST 11

djph: Pale Moon

I'm the former number 2 asshole around there

haha i like the lizard they chose :)

the goanna lizard?

i only said.. we need something that isn't a trademark of verizon media to call it

but i can claim nothing for the name or logo

I made a lot of mistakes.. still making some of them.. but the technological uplift cannot be denied.. tho good luck getting them to attributte it to me past the add-ons site which was soley and exclusively my creation

I am the creator of the Unified XUL Platform (Take 2, the one that worked).

nsITobin: ah, never used palemoon

my vision, my will

Pale Moon was just one of many mozilla-based applications

which was my vision and my will

because Firefox-first .. is never good

platform first.. then platform's primary feature.. browsing..

then Pale Moon

as I envisioned so it was.. ... for a while

full service micro-mozilla ecosystem.. from one shitty firefox rebuild..

in less than a decade

on only as much spare change as people had

I think I did well.. except socially

which of course negates everything

actually in only 4 years

UXP was done in 2018 launched 2019.. i started in 2014

That is what I was capable of doing.. and really thinking back.. the most work.. was convincing everyone to allow it and let me do it

not the work i did.. it was save for some specific special feats mostly mundate

mundane*

not that I want to discount all the cpp work I couldn't do but I helped directed that work laid the groundwork for that work to proceed identified that IS the work needed I just couldn't code the code where cpp was conserned.. but i learned python2 to a halfway decent extent along with the mozbuild system and ancient autoconf and some m4 and of course all my php.. and you know what.. if i had the CPP skill as well.. it would have just been me leading and

building a xul platform and community with an ecosystem..

created the very project and contribution structure they still use 95% unaltered today.. the majority of the infrastructure i coded up that helps serve a mozilla project like mozilla did.. All they know beyond just rebuilding Firefox is either directly from me or aquired by me pushing and directing others to it while I was doing the secondary everything else

this experience as hellish as it was off and on.. did teach me you can do SO MUCH without all the utter layers of garbage piled on by people who either radically changed their mind or didn't understand the assignment in the first place

and that continues even into here.. unfortently so did some of the bs behavior.

zedmatrix: livecd without the extras.. now you can make any livecd of any configuration arbitrarily and simply

just a little proding not to cheap and laze out on something more .. directly off a wiki

or like my only real example with dracut

none of that is needed and you proved it before me.. damn it ;)

Hell zedmatrix you make your own scripting language and builder system

that's stunning

We just need more excellence in the world without a social context attached then social interactions would gradually improve.. why be a dick if things are generally excellent?

I have done something recently I didn't dare do before because it would collapse the wave function.. I looked who was where pushing what from 2019 on.. and convered connections between .. a lot and it has to do with the rust/wayland/kernel agenda.. and yes UXP was apart of it and I was completely ignorant of the entire shape of it .. I was crashing and burning at the time after all.

i thought it was just firefox fanbois and PCthugs .. social justice warriors at that time..

noooo

but since its too late to do anything about it.. I am simply gathering what I can.

One question always remained unanswered.. Why is there so much hate for giving people what they are angry Mozilla took away..

Now I know

yea i still need to learn libarchive and destdir so that i will have the binaries

i am looking at building boost-1.87 under my musl install so that the zbuild will be completely portable

I am gonna attempt some ch8+ rpm building.. just spec and build see if i can build a new root from rpm

a few packages are gonna be tedious tho

especially since the filelists have to be explicit

i need more Me's

thats why i started with a bash version of a build system i understand, and went from there

it;s a multistage process

lol

yeah i shouldn't rush

plenty of time

i keep looking at pacman, but then that is a c-program

well i am using rpm because it is what I sort of know.. and I want to upset redhat people

nothing upsets redhat more than people doing what they don't want

ask that crazy x11libra fork

libre?

whatever

its still using someone elses "crappy" code thats been patched over and over to solve minor changes to the build system

i started the c++ with using std=23

damn i still have 'wicked -bonus xray editio' to watch :)

maybe I should call my rpm fork .. mph because it isn't how much you spin.. it is how far you get

MPH could stand for Managed Package Handler

:P

yea nice, also the acronyms are funny :)

well it is better than RPM-C

which is the current name for 4.18 fork

but mph does work

Of course I am forking PHP 7.4 as Phobia because everyone is too scared to retain PHP's features and flavor..

why is Texas hoarding all that water... it should share for the wildfires :)

good song for you> youtube.com/watch?v=7tcutmdnFvk

zedmatrix: I am doing bash scripts first for early-system

cause too many stages will get confusing .. so early-system, constuction-system, and final-system

hi CosmoHill

yea tho the stage1 is pretty simple

CosmoHill: I can't remember if I asked this.. did you ever solve the bootstrap problem or did you just rebuild from a regular lfs system

i think its easier once you either have a "temp tools" or a full lfs build to build from

well i need a full lfs build to do RPM .. for the moment anyway

but it will be so amazing when I install all the packages with rpm --root and can boot into it..

you see i just made it simple for me for stage1 and wrapped the zbc files in a bash loop

I was wondering about it.. other people's code still looks like.. well pcre until I find some anchors and learn what the deal is then it becomes something I can read casually

its just a bash for loop

my question must have been too much for his internet connection

zedmatrix: yeah but more the zbc files

i been trying to figure out how they work with my knowlege of bash but it isn't bash

this is chapter 5 github.com/zedmatrix/ZirconiumOS/blob/main/stage1/build-stage-1.1.sh

it is interesting

i will stick to my shitty makefile for now gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-o…atch/stage1/Makefile?ref_type=heads

the zbc files just tells the zbuild c++ what to do

i guess i need to expand the docs that if a package doesn't exist in the source dir, it will attempt to download

also it auto extracts

its based on github.com/zedmatrix/ZBuild-System/…ain/LFS_r12.3-17-systemd/zbuild4.sh

6 will just continue on.. 7 will be added to stage2 cause chroot

i put stage1 as upto end of 7 with the ability to save

how did you chroot in?

7 is done in the chroot

better idea.. ch 5 is stage 0

most of stage1 is user controlled

well yeah cause that is the end user system

my bash files are just an early system

for me

i'll get all my terms and dillybobs consistant when it works more

its mostly providing a little help in building and the zbc files can be adjusted for package version changes

I had a much more sophisticated method and plan a year ago

... that was a year ago

LOL

another addition will be having the package name/version be useful in the package url

so i think it is a race between your build/package system and me getting an rpm one going

lol

while you are well ahead of me.. you are also creating your own tools.. but i am slower but my issue is reliably GETTING to already existant tools and learning them inside and out vs just using them on fedora

it is a good way to cover many paths especially when we talk about it in some place like an irc channel :P

this is the first time building BLFS completely with it

how do you completely build blfs?

is that even desirable or possible?

LOL

but yeah i gett what you mean

zedmatrix: know what else is something kinda cool about picking rpmbuild? its SOURCES folder is one directory like in lfs so i can symlink /setup/sources to ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES and run my spec files

nsITobin: becareful with a bash variable $SOURCES it can have issues in BLFS

i mean building my BLFS : Xorg -> LXQt

well anything past lfs boot would exist only as spec files

I might do a systemd version with latest kde nonsense

give it the Fez Enterprising Linux designation

that will upset some hats

or just everything is snowball

i really like that name

also i finally figured why gdk-pixbuf was failing.... the XDG_DATADIR was incorrectly set

ah

well I think i am gonna focus on classical linux and unix type stuff first then see about adding a modern linux pathway to it.. then pit them sidebyside

in a battle to the dea-- Anyway..

cause I can't just pretend these systems don't exist

did that last time look where it got me

probably gonna add boost-1.87 to my musl so it will be a complete build system

what even is boost

right.. libs as a service

a package of libraries for c++, since my build system uses it to execute the build functions

i just more and more don't like c++

especially 2010s on.. it seems more burdonsome than just writing something yourself

well C is the same but C++ has memory safe ability

another of my TODO:s is to replace the blind exec functions with static functions like meson, cmake, configure etc

you know.. maybe i should install software .. past the basic os and toolchain in opt and just leave small scripts to set the loader paths and crap in bin

that could simplify a lot

there are justt so many potental ideas i want to explore .. that i should have explored a decade ago

but i need to focus and knock these scripts out to get to something more I can futz with

zedmatrix: so you are gonna basically end up with spec files

lol

except Z

a kind of zspec

thats y you should build LFS multiple times refining your tool chain

well i am glad they figured this much out pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu3VZjBXUAAq_C9?format=jpg&name=medium

now they just need to connect it to the rust agenda

and everything will be exposed

not that that will change anything

but least everyone will know what I have known for a while now

to the rust agenda.. chromium and the whatwg

back up to the new linux foundation chromium friends

It's bloody Microsoft

.. it WAS google.. but everything has been feeling very .. Shell Update lately

yea i kinda looked at how pkgbuild files are so i can use that with a bit of modification

zedmatrix: well this is fun after all

creating systems

sharing

i always found it so

yep i build a stable system for me, and if someone wants to use it, they can clone it :)

zedmatrix: like i said.. i likely will get tired of the scratch scripts and just use zbuild to generate the basic system plus rpm deps and then use that to build the spec files which a bunch technically were from Cosmohill's distro.. So that .. a start of an ecosystem.

that way your system gets semi-regular poking by someone else cause one person can't anticipate all possible cases.. always need someone to bash on it with a hammer

see what happens

well i just start with the book

it would be nice to be able to have a system to rebuild it self like portage or pacman

tho i guess with a good base+system a full rebuild can be good like every 6 months

well shouldn't need a full rebuild except when massive toolchain changes happen or glibc

I may sync up with an LTS scheme eventually

that way a full rebuild IS required for a new version

i dunno

i am egar to find out tho

what is all gonna be needed vs what everyone does on top of all that

kinda my thing

or more likely just rebuild fully on major lfs release and just update for point releases

keeping the same toolchain just following errata patches or somethin.. I dunno it's my first day.. for the past year and a half