00:46:31 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: https://gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-os/baseos/-/commit/17b06fe0702931155078f4f0635bd39c91efcbc9
00:47:13 <nsITobin> those are all symlinks
00:47:22 <nsITobin> i should just remove man pages
00:47:28 <nsITobin> just filter them out
00:47:33 <nsITobin> i never use the man command
00:47:37 <nsITobin> i find it hard to use
01:43:29 <zed_lfs> nsITobin: sup ?
01:43:55 <nsITobin> just posting progress zed_lfs 
01:44:26 <nsITobin> glibc tzdata and ncurses is done..ish
01:44:27 <nsITobin> lol
01:44:43 <nsITobin> sure i will have to make more corrections later but yeah rpm spec files are being written now
01:45:30 <nsITobin> https://gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-os/baseos/-/commit/db14355d3a45dfff2099cdcb5001c2159afb7ce5
01:45:42 <zed_lfs> just on my bedroom lfs-tv :)
01:45:49 <nsITobin> cool
01:46:02 <zed_lfs> this is the one with KF6
01:46:24 <zed_lfs> i like the xscreensavers
01:46:32 <nsITobin> i dislike jwz
01:47:23 <nsITobin> i mean i respect what he accomplished up until the point he stopped bothering
01:48:26 <nsITobin> but modern jwz is a piece of garbage
01:49:12 <nsITobin> i like xscreensavers too
01:49:34 <nsITobin> zed_lfs: hope you like not having xscreensavers tho
01:49:41 <nsITobin> that ain't gonna work in xwayland
01:49:45 <nsITobin> in a kde env
01:49:49 <nsITobin> you crazy
01:49:51 <nsITobin> lol
01:50:09 <nsITobin> tv tv tv sports sports sports fedora GO THE FUCK HOME
01:50:19 <nsITobin> lol
01:51:06 <zed_lfs> its not kde, its lxqt
01:51:17 <zed_lfs> with kf6 
01:51:23 <nsITobin> lxqt is very immature
01:51:36 <zed_lfs> and i have konsole, konversation and kate 
01:51:44 <nsITobin> I'm sorry.
01:51:56 <nsITobin> :P
01:52:34 <nsITobin> KDE for when you want the shittiest aspects of Windows without waiting for Microsoft to finish stripping out all the good parts!
01:53:16 <nsITobin> or for those who like 800 different ways to change the taskbar none of them obvious
01:53:27 <nsITobin> lxqt was really disappointing for me
01:54:06 <zed_lfs> i find lxqt really nice, after i configure it my way
01:54:21 <nsITobin> gtk2 has the highest potental for a fork-ecosystem with a rich back categlog and best possibility for eventual maintainabiliy..
01:54:26 <zed_lfs> tho i am using your dreaded systemd :)
01:55:22 <nsITobin> the more people profess systemd the more I just want an autoexec.sh to do my bootup
01:55:49 <nsITobin> the more people profess selinux the more i want to do as root
01:57:10 <zed_lfs> i like the xeyes on the task bar they follow the mouse :)
01:57:30 <nsITobin> eyes is cool but check your cpuz
01:58:02 <nsITobin> i use lxterminal gtk2 version.. seems to work the best especially when pasting shit from the wbe
01:58:03 <nsITobin> web
12:23:21 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: Good morning.. so yeah NOW i am in the stage where I just one by one make spec files until they work times about 90
12:23:33 <nsITobin> ... to get to end-of-book state
14:42:44 <nsITobin> forgot this in my spec file cause already done in pre-8 https://gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-os/baseos/-/blob/TRUNK/stage3/glibc/package.spec?ref_type=heads#L111
14:43:13 <nsITobin> also needed to override the libdir for rpm to be /usr/lib NOT /usr/lib64
14:44:12 <nsITobin> so yeah zedmatrix it is more a port of the book to rpm not a fork of the book ;)
15:15:59 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: yea i now have a thought of using a single build_stage.sh to init all 3 stages
15:16:31 <nsITobin> if you chroot to your stage2 script and stage2 chains to stage3 you can do it from the host
15:16:38 <nsITobin> i just haven't explored it yet
15:16:52 <nsITobin> from the host in one command
15:19:14 <nsITobin> I may yet do spec files for the pre-system and get rpmbuild to build those two but i have to get there first
15:19:34 <nsITobin> so either way my half-assed bash scripts would have served their purpose
15:20:22 <nsITobin> issue is doing an rpmbuild from el8 will have CRAP involved so it has to be done from something more agnostic
15:21:47 <zedmatrix> also i found a little issue, the passwd root from shadow page
15:49:23 <nsITobin> i need to just switch to bash instead of that makefile.. just isn't doing it for me
15:49:58 <nsITobin> maybe try that chroot pass
15:50:01 <nsITobin> to stage2
15:50:23 <zedmatrix> yea i booted lastnight and forgot to add that 
15:50:58 <nsITobin> so i figure i need readline then bash then coreutils then resume book order
15:51:12 <nsITobin> so that %post scripts work
15:51:36 <zedmatrix> but i am trimming to use a single build_stage like this https://bpa.st/G64Q
15:53:40 <nsITobin> i think i will simply have the end of stage 1 chroot into the system running the script to build stage2 and exit from the chroot exiting the script ready for me to go back in and do stage3 likely using the same process it could become adhoc-automated
15:53:40 <nsITobin> lol
15:59:43 <zedmatrix> i think some manual might be required /wanted
16:08:50 <nsITobin> something to put on the project page or subdomain
16:09:03 <nsITobin> i dunno if i should use a subdomain or just treat it like any other project
16:09:15 <nsITobin> snowball.binoclabs.com could work
16:09:27 <nsITobin> since it is grander than any normal binoc project
16:09:45 <nsITobin> fuckin math... now i know how much money i have
16:09:51 <nsITobin> .. i have 31 dollars
16:09:55 <nsITobin> for the rest of the month
16:17:28 <zedmatrix> yea i guess i should get a domain for this 
16:18:30 <zedmatrix> it would make having 2 webhosts more useful :)
16:37:12 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: webhost or a vps host
16:37:16 <nsITobin> cause I have vpses
16:38:45 <zedmatrix> webhost, i havent looked into vps' much
16:39:16 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I need a universal package metadata format
16:44:02 <zedmatrix> you have the rpmspec, or do you want to change that?
16:44:26 <nsITobin> well yes but I'd have to use rpm spec tools to query it
16:44:42 <nsITobin> which I can do
16:44:45 <nsITobin> but
16:45:14 <nsITobin> it would be nice to have a format i could preprocess into spec form that is more universal
16:45:28 <nsITobin> not nessisarily the build parts or even file parts but just the metadata
16:47:47 <nsITobin> I mean if i look at it from an rpmbuild first perspective i could build up through the install point and code up a macro to just tar it up and stick it somewhere .. but the spec format its self is not entirely optimal
16:48:06 <nsITobin> but that is ok
16:53:33 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: remi has a plugin in pecl for php to query an rpm database and rpms them selves.. but it is pretty limited to that tho it could be expanded..
16:54:42 <nsITobin> I just don't get why did they pick lua as an internal language
16:54:50 <nsITobin> why not some form of shell script
16:55:02 <nsITobin> but..
17:50:18 <zedmatrix> ok now 45 min til i can test phase 2
17:56:54 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: ok testing my chroot tester, but now i got like 40 min
17:58:09 <nsITobin> :P
17:59:38 <zedmatrix> sofar i have zirconium-1.01.tar.xz to build LFS 
17:59:45 <zedmatrix> its 8.6mb
18:00:39 <nsITobin> i am gonna revise the process some more
18:00:44 <nsITobin> before continuing with spec files
18:01:44 <zedmatrix> i have 2 files you need on any iso to prepare the environment after you choose a fs layout
18:04:36 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: i dunno if i should be like setup an MBR or UEFI layout or not
18:05:29 <nsITobin> that is installer stuff LOL
18:05:33 <nsITobin> i am not there yet
18:07:23 <zedmatrix> i am just wondering how much i want to leave upto the user
18:10:29 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: i just set 256COLOR.BMP to my wallpaper
18:10:45 <nsITobin> it is ridiculous spanned across my monitors
18:10:48 <nsITobin> tiled*
18:13:59 <zedmatrix> i have 3 different wall papers for each monitor
18:14:57 <zedmatrix> cool --stdin in passwd
18:22:28 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: just went back to win2k blue which makes dark windows stand out massively
18:24:00 <zedmatrix> you mean the dark blue tiles? https://www.tumblr.com/sama-kun/181802929040/adorablethemes-win2k-theme-choose-between-one
18:25:04 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: https://i.ibb.co/WpjjGggV/image.png
18:26:10 <zedmatrix> i have forest on one
18:26:24 <nsITobin> of course on MY distro least the me-sku of it will just have gtk2 qt3 and everything will look like win2k
18:27:36 <nsITobin> eliminate the csd and patch programs.. and give modified gtk3 the same treatment
18:27:54 <nsITobin> .. dunno about qt5 .. guess get it to be gtk2 styled
18:28:06 <nsITobin> i see no reason for gtk4 or qt6
18:28:45 <nsITobin> each of these runtime toolkits and their more modern versions should be globally brought into alignment
18:30:24 <zedmatrix> like mine http://0x0.st/8dYp.png
18:31:22 <nsITobin> i like how winamp3 skin matches a modified artwiz-boxed with the colors from a gtk3 theme
18:31:36 <nsITobin> well a few shades and degrees of hue off
18:31:40 <nsITobin> but CLOSE ENOUGH
18:31:50 <zedmatrix> first stage done in *** 00 Hours, 43 Minutes and 24 Seconds ***
18:32:37 <nsITobin> this skeuos-dark style is the nicest and most consistant ive seen.. If the light version was grey and not stark white i'd use it as well but yeah dakr has good contrast .. light is just eye peircing
18:32:43 <nsITobin> a good grey would do wonders
18:32:58 <nsITobin> ... but i would settle for redmond style if EVERYTHING used it 
18:33:19 <nsITobin> and not a fuckin 80px tall fake caption bar csd either
18:33:44 <nsITobin> consistant.. proper.. enough i could work it without my glasses or drunk as fuck
18:43:53 <nsITobin> takes me 20 min to do my stage 1 and about 45 min to do my stage 2 but it is not a complete bootable system.. just most of one for the sake of rpm and building packages
18:44:43 <nsITobin> ... need some fuckin super multi-layered clusterized basterization ... i'll show them!
19:03:13 <zedmatrix> there got it https://bpa.st/2Q6A
19:03:15 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: 
19:05:47 <nsITobin> i see
19:07:39 <zedmatrix> i also have the build_stage script callable with 1..6 https://bpa.st/XB6A
19:09:49 <zedmatrix> so then the installer just has call those functions and check the return
19:16:56 <zedmatrix> chapter 7: *** 00 Hours, 11 Minutes and 27 Seconds *** no errors
19:18:25 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: are you doing LFS as gentoo?
19:18:28 <nsITobin> essentually
19:18:35 <nsITobin> like I am doing lfs as redhat?
19:22:07 <zedmatrix> i am doing LFS as LFS
19:22:19 <nsITobin> yeah but your zbuild system
19:22:34 <nsITobin> and it going from source to an installed system
19:22:49 <zedmatrix> yep the package def is loosely based on arch
19:22:54 <zedmatrix> from source
19:23:42 <nsITobin> i like the differences in approch people take to lfs as a sustainable system for them selves or as a distro to share systemd and kde not withstanding :P
19:24:28 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: why arch inspired touches?
19:24:39 <nsITobin> why not more gentoo like but simpler
19:24:53 <nsITobin> need them sweet sweet USE flags
19:24:56 <nsITobin> don't you?
19:24:57 <nsITobin> :P
19:25:53 <zedmatrix> well i got into reading the arch pkgbuilds to packages not in BLFS
19:26:31 <zedmatrix> and i think portage is primarily python based
19:26:32 <nsITobin> i just wish i started 20 years ago
19:26:56 <nsITobin> python based systems are dooned to death or refactor purgatory
19:27:01 <nsITobin> same with rust
19:27:04 <nsITobin> actually
19:27:14 <nsITobin> and c++ is just a gateway these days to move C to Rust
19:28:50 <nsITobin> need some oil..
19:28:57 <zedmatrix> i like using a c/c++ based to isolate the functions from the build system and packages
19:29:28 <nsITobin> you should stick to C++98 to protest
19:29:33 <zedmatrix> during my bash lfs building, i've run into variable conflicts
19:30:06 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: couldn't control the env for your subshells?
19:30:10 <zedmatrix> for instance libvpx in blfs kept failing.... turned out it was "
19:30:15 <zedmatrix> $BUILD"
19:30:31 <nsITobin> PREFIX!
19:30:37 <nsITobin> ZBUILD_BUILD
19:31:02 <zedmatrix> hence why i have started prefixing vars with z or zz 
19:31:23 <nsITobin> i very much feel comfortable claiming vast areas of globalspace but it comes with a responsibility.. 
19:31:34 <nsITobin> i am responsible for ensuring no collisions
19:31:42 <nsITobin> which is good decent percise work
19:31:43 <zedmatrix> but its always been a breeze starting from a clean LFS base
19:32:45 <nsITobin> I am a component of the full working system.. it is to serve me and I command it. ... that didn't extrapolate well outside my computer truth be told
19:34:03 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: found a good use for the /srv directory locally
19:34:14 <nsITobin> good place to mount sshfs to my servers
19:35:39 <zedmatrix> yea ive put my www in there for my {,b}lfs books
19:35:56 <zedmatrix> also great to play around with css /html
19:36:31 <zedmatrix> i should get back into cgi and py/php see how much i remember
19:37:09 <nsITobin> i need to remix my php 7.4 fork i am gonna remove some crap and add some crap from pecl to start with plus renaming it to phobia
19:40:23 <nsITobin> php is important to me but php 8+ is only bent to the big framework projects.. and the language is changing to be less like the php you know the flavor is being drained out of it.. and it has been impacted by whatwg specs .. i have dozens of reasons
19:40:27 <nsITobin> some of them are valid
19:40:33 <nsITobin> enough to do it ;)
19:41:51 <zedmatrix> upto gcc-15 now
19:42:09 <nsITobin> that is beyond the stable version of the book
19:42:18 <nsITobin> i have been burned by gcc before
19:42:24 <nsITobin> i do NOT trust new versions of it
19:42:45 <zedmatrix> ive built gcc-15 with both dev and stable and using musl :)
19:42:46 <nsITobin> i'd rather compile everything with gcc 10 or some shit
19:43:09 <nsITobin> actually I'd LIKE to compile everything with gcc 4.7
19:43:25 <zedmatrix> i have a custom by the book musl-gcc-15 -mdevd 
20:00:14 <zedmatrix> this master script is probably usable by any build system
20:00:17 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: 
20:02:59 <nsITobin> hardstatus off
20:02:59 <nsITobin> caption always " %{-b ..}%-w%{+b ..}%{bd}[ %{kd} %n%f*%t %{bd}]%{-}%+w %=%{bd}[ %{kd}%Y-%m-%d %c:%s %{bd}] "
20:02:59 <nsITobin> termcapinfo xterm* ti@:te@
20:03:05 <nsITobin> wha
20:03:10 <nsITobin> yeah
20:13:11 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: what I really should spend the rest of the day doing is organizing my files and reclaiming space from haphazard file transfers and drive recovery dups
20:13:50 <nsITobin> and prep for a system transfer from my el8-screwover system to my rpm-lfs system
20:14:07 <nsITobin> i am dumping some of my custom habits
20:17:10 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: yea i did that the other day, move some unused vm files into storage
20:18:51 <nsITobin> I am over coming up with mountpoints and shit for my whole harddrives.. so i settled on /mnt/DRIVE_{D,E,M} 
20:20:16 <nsITobin> it isn't original but my brain will instantly know what the fuck drive it is and generally what is stored on it
20:20:40 <zedmatrix> one of my network mounts is Potassium :)
20:21:37 <zedmatrix> i am giving up on boring mounts too like c..d..e..
20:21:58 <nsITobin> well if I have a DRIVE_C it will be a bare metal windows install
20:22:07 <nsITobin> but i may just stop bothering
20:22:15 <nsITobin> i can recover linux much easier from linux
20:23:05 <nsITobin> but i can't even trust windows now not to just delete my bootloader
20:23:10 <nsITobin> and replace it with its own
20:23:13 <nsITobin> at ANY TIME
20:23:15 <nsITobin> ....
20:23:50 <nsITobin> Windows is already .. alive.. giving it full AI will create a fuckin AI God.. a retarded and vengeful one
20:25:16 <zedmatrix> yea my windows 10 keeps wanting to upgrade to 11
20:25:44 <nsITobin> i will not accept wayland for the justification of running WINDOWS GAMES
20:26:20 <nsITobin> also wine is terrible software and i think it is on purpose
20:27:32 <nsITobin> it's been 32 fucking years and it still can't run software from 32 fucking years ago properly
20:27:49 <zedmatrix> tho if i take the time to setup wine/crossover i bet my "last windows app" will work 
20:28:26 <nsITobin> all the junk i'd use wine for outside 7zip, notepad++ and winamp.. just doesn't work or doesn't work worth a shit
20:28:42 <zedmatrix> tho it is nice to have a windows machine around to aide others
20:28:55 <nsITobin> i can't help people with modern windows
20:29:06 <nsITobin> it stopped making sense when metro happened
20:29:16 <nsITobin> and everything changes around every few releases
20:29:32 <nsITobin> and all the old points are being systamtaically removed
20:29:38 <nsITobin> windows is a fuckin disaster
20:29:42 <zedmatrix> metro was a big mistake , hence y it was short lived in 8
20:30:02 <nsITobin> metro is still everywhere
20:30:09 <nsITobin> just cause they changed the name
20:30:11 <nsITobin> ...
20:30:29 <nsITobin> i know a fuck ton about windows internals
20:30:45 <nsITobin> which all stopped being useful when they started removing shit and protecting the fuckin dll files
20:30:51 <zedmatrix> just be glad bob never made it :)
20:31:27 <nsITobin> if all my software worked on windows 2000.. i'd still be using windows 2000
20:31:43 <zedmatrix> i would say bob is worse then 8 
20:32:20 <nsITobin> a lot of microsoft design patents have long expired.. like the win16 and chicago interface
20:40:37 <zedmatrix> nice finished... Changing password for root && passwd: password changed. &&  *** 01 Hours, 21 Minutes and 02 Seconds ***
20:46:16 <nsITobin> Documents -> /mnt/DRIVE_D/ Music -> /mnt/DRIVE_M/Music/ Projects -> /mnt/DRIVE_E/ Videos -> /mnt/DRIVE_M/Videos/
20:46:20 <nsITobin> as it was on NT
20:46:24 <nsITobin> so shall it be on Linux
20:47:04 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: you could compile 2 UXP programs in that time!
21:02:54 <zedmatrix> well i am only throwing 4 cores at it
21:03:42 <zedmatrix> tho found a bit of an slight hiccup, forgot a couple of mkdir -p
21:04:08 <zedmatrix> but those are just in the chapter 9 configuration
21:06:06 <zedmatrix> i wonder how many patches fedora borrows from the other distros