00:03:57 <zedmatrix> so my BLFS depend check https://bpa.st/TUSA nsITobin
00:18:10 <zedmatrix> haha i just made a chicken and egg dep
00:50:38 <nsITobin> didi you
01:17:29 <zedmatrix> yea c-ares/nghttp2/cmake
01:17:47 <zedmatrix> c-ares is just optional in nghttp2
14:55:33 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: sup 
14:55:46 <zedmatrix> omg the bash env is flakely
14:56:48 <zedmatrix> my new packInstall on the laptop worked for linux-pam and shadow installs, but via ssh into a qemu the $ZSRC var seemd unset
15:12:09 <nsITobin> ssh is a pty
15:12:21 <nsITobin> does that change how bash is invoked?
15:13:37 <zedmatrix> i dunno, cause the depend check failed and its now re-installing cmake
15:18:32 <nsITobin> bb
15:19:47 <zedmatrix> oh wait i think i was trying to compare a value and not a bash string 
15:46:31 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: i think my problem was the shitty if-elif-else inside an if-fi block
15:53:19 <nsITobin>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh2OzR56UqQ
15:58:26 <zedmatrix> ok got it depend check/installer https://bpa.st/FEUA
15:58:51 <zedmatrix> the depend part is in the sourced install.sh
16:03:42 <zedmatrix> hmm nsITobin is that guy actually playing or is it just dubbed over 
16:04:26 <zedmatrix> tho it sounds good
16:08:07 <zedmatrix> now i can create a BLFS pack tar
16:09:15 <zedmatrix> i am not even gonna attempt the version checking yet 
17:28:33 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: he played it
17:28:44 <nsITobin> the guitar parts
17:29:10 <nsITobin> i assume he produced the not-guitar parts with digital music
17:29:47 <nsITobin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L54GYRcxSM
17:33:31 <zedmatrix> still tweaking my packInstall
17:33:36 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHw0mLA1Vo
17:33:44 <nsITobin> theme of zbuild
17:33:56 <zedmatrix> tho i might try emacs sometime
17:34:22 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: you are trying to be a systemlord right?
17:34:56 <zedmatrix> lol not really, i have just finally made it to blfs
17:37:41 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: this is an install.sh for emacs https://bpa.st/4VJA
17:50:02 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: so i am confused,, is this running zbuild?
17:50:08 <nsITobin> the cpp program
17:53:50 <zedmatrix> yep those install.sh are inside a package tar, which packInstall sources and executes
17:54:50 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: you could have anything in the zbuild_exec that execs i guess https://bpa.st/DMQA
18:12:46 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: cool made 2 tars dash-{major,minor} defining if it takes over the symlink
18:28:12 <nsITobin> be back
18:38:06 <zedmatrix> nsITobin:  i am hoping to be able to just do ./packInstall xfce4
18:38:51 <zedmatrix> i guess this is ABLFS :)
18:40:12 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: when you add a package manager that isn't just fakeroot destdir and manually extracting tarballs.. you MUST make changes 
18:40:21 <nsITobin> that is what i find lfs so great for
18:40:26 <nsITobin> it gives you the baseline
18:40:47 <nsITobin> one more recon
18:42:36 <nsITobin> yay for openbox being able to declare position and geometry as well as undecorating
18:42:47 <nsITobin> winamp and irc dominate this small monitor
18:42:54 <nsITobin> now i don't have to position every damned time
18:43:01 <nsITobin> openbox really is a great window manager
18:43:30 <zedmatrix> well so far having the start of PM is having a database
18:44:12 <zedmatrix> yea i like openbox, what is really funny is mpv on twm 
18:44:34 <zedmatrix> even firefox on twm :)
18:59:34 <nsITobin> sufficient
19:36:42 <nsITobin> https://i.ibb.co/bgjSH88k/image.png
19:36:49 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: 
19:36:55 <nsITobin> i am back to building again
19:41:07 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: already better than the makefile version
19:41:15 <nsITobin> actually errored out properly
19:41:28 <nsITobin> cause I didn't have the 6.10.14 source
19:48:31 <zedmatrix> this is what i am building https://bpa.st/SWQQ
19:48:54 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: 
19:48:58 <nsITobin> ye i see
19:49:14 <nsITobin> why JUST tar not some good compression
19:50:01 <zedmatrix> well cause they include the tar.{xz,bz2,gz} sources
19:51:07 <zedmatrix> yea sometimes Makefile can be cumbersome
19:52:05 <zedmatrix> those .tar files are like a .rpm
19:52:37 <nsITobin> but single target dispatch with lists.. it does fine with sure i could do it with bash only but make has a few advantages
19:52:54 <nsITobin> .. what they are i can't say.. but trust me there are totally some
19:52:56 <nsITobin> lol
19:53:31 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: rpm files are compressed cpio files with binary metadata
19:53:48 <nsITobin> srcrpm files are simple cpio archives
19:54:08 <nsITobin> but rpmbuild does accept simple tarball sources as well.. but won't construct them of course
19:56:03 <zedmatrix> well these are just simple tar > include source tar + zbc + simple install source script + any patches
19:56:20 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: may as well use zip for that
19:56:45 <nsITobin> zip is simpler
19:56:50 <zedmatrix> ON LINUX that is VERBOTEM! https://bpa.st/JEPQ
19:57:06 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: use zip ... anyway
19:57:08 <nsITobin> :P
19:57:15 <nsITobin> or I WILL
19:57:32 <nsITobin> I am sure I can add a way to unzip srcrpm zipforms
20:00:40 <zedmatrix> zip is a dead archive format... thats why it was removed from BLFS
20:01:05 <nsITobin> zip is forever
20:01:12 <nsITobin> pk4lyfe
20:02:57 <zedmatrix> so that is my simple packBuild.sh script
20:03:46 <zedmatrix> it parses the zbc , downloads the sources, and creates a dir + script
20:17:39 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: i am getting strange errors when i pass into the chroot
20:17:47 <nsITobin> from getcwd and cd and shit
20:24:59 <zedmatrix> what is a strange error ?
20:43:32 <zedmatrix> bbiab
20:47:18 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: https://dpaste.org/UkaNz
21:01:44 <zedmatrix> you are running on a vps?
21:05:53 <zedmatrix> i bet your pwd is pointing to before the chroot, so the getcwd cant work nsITobin
21:07:18 <nsITobin> no i am not running on anything but bare metal
21:07:20 <nsITobin> as root
21:07:44 <nsITobin> dir
21:13:18 <zedmatrix> have you ran a test before a getcwd... echo $(pwd) ?
21:13:57 <zedmatrix> it seems as if pwd -> where you were not are 
21:18:04 <zedmatrix> i bet executing make -C /setup/packages build-sysroot... is causing the error as the cwd doesn't exist any more
21:18:46 <nsITobin> pwd is blank
21:19:41 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: 
21:19:59 <nsITobin> mklfs is able to change directory
21:20:21 <nsITobin> but the script under it can't deal
21:20:57 <nsITobin> hold on
21:28:09 <nsITobin> chdir: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
21:28:17 <nsITobin> that was the result of the test past mklfs
21:29:36 <nsITobin> there may be a fix for this
21:47:56 <zedmatrix> maybe a cd / at the start of your chroot exec script nsITobin
21:52:23 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: great
21:52:25 <nsITobin> then it won'
21:52:29 <nsITobin> know where its self is
21:52:32 <nsITobin> or anything else
21:52:34 <nsITobin> also
21:52:36 <nsITobin> it didn't work
21:52:52 <nsITobin> it is i think failing cause of make
21:53:58 <zedmatrix> >> {target}/setup should exist so then you can cd from there
21:54:17 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: then the script needs to KNOW it is in a chroot
21:54:40 <zedmatrix> use the cat /proc then 
21:54:55 <nsITobin> i don't even know what that means
21:55:07 <nsITobin> you assume i know about linux internals.. i don't
21:55:15 <nsITobin> and won't until I get past this and run my own stuff
21:56:12 <nsITobin> also proc is bloody well mounted
21:56:38 <zedmatrix> this is what i use to detect chroot https://bpa.st/WVWQ
21:57:44 <nsITobin> okay what does that mean
21:57:49 <nsITobin> what am i reading
21:57:52 <nsITobin> what am i testing 
21:57:56 <nsITobin> what is the actual condition
21:58:08 <nsITobin> throwing code at me when I don't know what is going on is worthless
21:58:29 <zedmatrix> its detecting the /proc/1/root exec functionality
21:58:48 <nsITobin> and what does that mean?
21:58:54 <nsITobin> how is it different on not chroot
21:59:01 <nsITobin> what are the values
21:59:09 <nsITobin> I don't know anything about the vfs
21:59:21 <nsITobin> what I know is on display
22:04:20 <zedmatrix> how about this :) https://blog.davidvarghese.net/posts/linux-101-filesystem-structure/
22:10:35 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: that doesn't allow me to invoke a chroot to make directly
22:10:41 <nsITobin> does it
22:10:46 <nsITobin> and i don't get what changed
22:10:59 <nsITobin> because from the script's perspective nothing actually has
22:16:45 <zedmatrix> yes it has changed, when u invoke chroot, it creates a sub shell that is isolated from the first shell
22:17:47 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: i mean from the build scripts perspective NOTHING HAS CHANGED it is still at the same depth with the same commands ..
22:17:57 <nsITobin> in the chroot it is identical to when it was working
22:18:03 <nsITobin> except how I am invoking it
22:18:59 <nsITobin> the only fuckin difference is bind mounting setup instead of always copying setup INTO the intended sysroot dir 
22:19:12 <nsITobin> but i THOUGHT that shit was supposed to work
22:20:00 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: apperently I have been misinformed.
22:20:59 <nsITobin> cause it is still makefile -> somedir/somescript
22:21:09 <nsITobin> and nothing otherwise has changed
22:21:26 <nsITobin> and this all started my issues when I started bindmounting
22:21:35 <nsITobin> SO
22:21:44 <nsITobin> guess what I will be trying next
22:22:59 <zedmatrix> the originating script is on hold til the chroot script has finished
22:23:09 <nsITobin> ok
22:23:17 <nsITobin> and how does that effect the environment IN the chroot
22:23:41 <nsITobin> i don't think you are understanding what is happening
22:23:54 <nsITobin> sysroot is elsewhere
22:24:53 <nsITobin> i bind mount the setup directory.. baseos repo to sysroot/setup then chroot in directly executing make -C /setup/packages build-sysroot .. from that point on getcwd fucks up royally
22:24:55 <zedmatrix> maybe you are trying to invoke the cmd from the wrong location https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=254295
22:24:57 <nsITobin> in any call
22:25:32 <zedmatrix> the /bin/bash is relative to the chroot env
22:25:54 <nsITobin> are you querying my shit through AI again
22:26:04 <nsITobin> cause you sound like you are responding qith AI suggestions
22:26:07 <zedmatrix> also there should be a valid bash with all deps 
22:26:24 <nsITobin> omfg
23:06:07 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: sorry, i was really frustrated and i hadn't eaten anything today.. I ate and feel better.
23:06:44 <nsITobin> the issue seems to be that mount --bind are not sutiable for for any active scripting in a chroot
23:07:02 <nsITobin> i undid that and copyed over and it worked.. except I forgot grep
23:07:06 <nsITobin> in my makefile
23:07:14 <nsITobin> which now it works properly THAT error showed up
23:07:48 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I have been working on this solid when not doing basic house things for weeks.. either directly or researching
23:08:17 <nsITobin> maybe i need a break
23:12:25 <zedmatrix> i get too involved into something too and forget to eat
23:12:58 <zedmatrix> i usually start lunch and takes me like an hour 
23:13:16 <zedmatrix> i just finished my cereal bars , https://0x0.st/85iq.jpg
23:13:42 <zedmatrix> its a recipe variant of the rice krispies except with dried fruit and peanuts