01:31:21 * Mirarora waves
01:32:11 <zedmatrix> sup?
01:34:50 <Mirarora> oh just trying to find a friend from discord, they said they were in here
01:38:51 <CaptainTobin> sourcewhere is down
01:39:01 <CaptainTobin> i got binutils from gnu
01:39:06 <CaptainTobin> but what about elfutils
01:43:15 <CaptainTobin> zedmatrix: 
01:47:51 <CaptainTobin> void linux has a copy in their sources subdomain
01:59:27 <CaptainTobin> building cross-tools formerly snowball stage1
02:12:02 <CaptainTobin> https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/binutils/binutils-2.44.tar.xz
02:12:13 <CaptainTobin> https://sources.voidlinux.org/elfutils-0.192/elfutils-0.192.tar.bz2
02:12:27 <CaptainTobin> respectively for anyone trying to download sources for stable 12.3
02:18:10 <CaptainTobin> likely gonna create source0.lfs files just containing the source url for grabbing by mklfs
02:26:27 <CaptainTobin> not tonight i just wanted to fix a couple small things and lock off crosstools at least..
02:28:45 <zedmatrix> elfutils is at 0.193
02:29:10 <CaptainTobin> that was the version called for when I generated these scripts from the stable book
02:29:16 <CaptainTobin> and sourceware is offline
02:29:19 <CaptainTobin> has been for six hours
02:30:30 <zedmatrix> yep https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/sourceware.org.html
02:31:29 <zedmatrix> i probably have copies of 0.19{2,3} 
02:32:31 <zedmatrix> i was thinking of making 6 stage tarballs and a single install 
02:33:53 <CaptainTobin> well there is the sysroot and then there is the rpm real distro.. so stages make little sense since under my older designations stage 1 and 2 are functionally worthless past generating baseos rpms
02:34:28 <CaptainTobin> so I have the sysroot .. which is needed to build the real baseos
02:34:46 <CaptainTobin> a fairly complete one but never the less it isn't bootable
02:35:17 <CaptainTobin> so i am looking more at build targets
02:35:45 <CaptainTobin> crosstools, the sysroot proper, rpms
02:36:38 <CaptainTobin> build extras from baseos rpm installed root .. a complete system.. the LFS++ you have directly cause you don't need an intermediary stage
02:37:07 <CaptainTobin> bootstrap is only a matter of crosstools
02:37:16 <CaptainTobin> but i am going past tthatt
02:37:24 <CaptainTobin> and my t key has issues
02:37:30 <CaptainTobin> i need a new keyboard
02:42:49 <CaptainTobin> good night zedmatrix 
04:06:24 <malina> my marinv 2 is rebased on juan's xbps actually
04:06:31 <malina> as it was a pacman fork bnefore
04:06:41 <malina> but juan is a coding genius imo
04:07:23 <malina> of course being 2 yrs out of date it's a bit outdarte din ideas so that is what I ripped out and improved
04:07:43 <malina> also for performance reasons but the base is solid
04:23:25 <zedmatrix> ive started putting my zbc files with the source files and a simple install.sh to copy over
14:05:30 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: cool i just built xfce tarfiles in one shot https://0x0.st/85_3.txt
14:05:33 <zedmatrix> mornin
14:05:55 <zedmatrix> also updated my https://github.com/zedmatrix/ZirconiumOS/blob/main/README.md
14:16:29 <zedmatrix> cool mass creating blfs build files
14:50:11 <zedmatrix> damn i hate when i edit mass creation scripts
15:17:56 <zedmatrix> nice bash scripting is fun :)
15:18:01 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: 
15:35:05 <nsITobin> zeckma: bash scripting is fun
15:35:07 <nsITobin> err
15:35:08 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: 
15:36:05 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: too bad i can't contribute on github
15:55:27 <zedmatrix> why not ?
15:55:44 <nsITobin> ...
15:55:55 <nsITobin> I am double banned
15:55:58 <nsITobin> that's why
15:56:09 <zedmatrix> is your ip banned?
15:56:10 <nsITobin> because of abuse of power and mob mentality
15:56:21 <nsITobin> and failures in accountability and followup
15:56:44 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I refuse to submit my self to two-fucked authintication if I can't even be ME
15:56:56 <nsITobin> that is what it is for after all
15:57:33 <nsITobin> it is like i say stuff over and over and over again for months on end and NO ONE CAN SEEM TO REMEMBER IT
16:01:49 <zedmatrix> wow the perl and python deps for blfs are massive
16:04:50 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: so yeah i can't be me.. i can't have my work attributetd to me.. and if anyone gets word it is my account.. it will be banned like the last one which didn't do ANYTHING WRONG PERIOD except it was identified as mine
16:05:03 <nsITobin> my account prior was merely gangreported and lost in the system
16:05:08 <nsITobin> as there was no human to help
16:05:10 <nsITobin> or respond
16:05:12 <nsITobin> and none ever did
16:05:43 <nsITobin> given github was the cateloge of my contributions from 2014 to 2024 .. and it is wiped out.. I am violently bitter about it
16:06:10 <nsITobin> so I'd appreciate if you could actually remember i am banned and why when it comes up next time.
16:06:50 <nsITobin> and it is the fuckin shitstains that are behind systemd wayland kde mac/arm that are responsible
16:06:58 <nsITobin> so all that technology and its entire ecosystem
16:07:06 <nsITobin> i have such unyeilding hate for it
16:07:32 <nsITobin> because it comes at the cost of the tools I need to operate while cutting off my legs at the same time
16:07:34 <nsITobin> so yeah
16:07:53 <nsITobin> it is gonna be the mega-grudge i carry in lue of the THOUSANDS of smaller grudges i already have
16:08:02 <nsITobin> consider it grudge consolidation
16:11:46 <zedmatrix> i have already started using github and just easier for me, gitlab i find the interface a bit clumsy
16:11:57 <nsITobin> yes gitlab ux sucks
16:12:03 <nsITobin> aside from org nesting
16:12:06 <nsITobin> thatt is cool
16:12:09 <nsITobin> everything else is garbage
16:12:17 <nsITobin> and i wish i could just use github
16:12:33 <nsITobin> i had my own gogs instance
16:13:20 <nsITobin> but gogs isn't up to massive codebases like mozilla.. not REALLY it has issues same with gitea..
16:14:57 <nsITobin> i was on github.. then i was convinced to move to Pale Moon's forge .. and got fucked.. did my own forge.. was convinced to go back to github.. got fucked. anything but my own choice and decision.. results in me being fucked.. at LEAST when it is MY call.. there is at least a halfway decent chance of not getting fucked anyway
16:15:01 <nsITobin> that is my existance
16:17:14 <nsITobin> when i got banned from github again.. i tried to use my gogs instance
16:17:25 <nsITobin> it kept getting attacked and knocked offline
16:17:29 <nsITobin> so i went gitlab
16:17:41 <nsITobin> where I will speak to no one and won't interact with anyone ON GITLAB
16:18:16 <nsITobin> i can coordinate an issue tracker and project nonsense and my brand of cybersocial warfare off a mainstream platform that will ban me as an automatic policy
16:18:19 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: 
16:19:53 <nsITobin> if i lose my gitlab account.. it won't be via a bannable action or the report of a false bannable action.. i will force it to be 100% unambigous cancelling.. Then I may start showing up at peoples houses asking questions.
16:21:47 <nsITobin> cause if I get cancelled on gitlab for interacting with no one and only having code repos up no issues no wikis no nothing.. all bets are off
16:22:38 <zedmatrix> hmm gonna haveto test my alsa-tools build zbc
16:22:40 <nsITobin> cause RIGHT NOW.. it can still be argued that it isn't targeted there is enough doubt out there.. but this gitlab account is a public test case justt to see how far these people will go
16:23:10 <nsITobin> if i am successful.. the war gets hotter
16:23:13 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: 
16:23:28 <nsITobin> because they will attack as soon as I put out something working
16:25:04 <nsITobin> they will expect Tobin v3.. the New Tobin Paradigm.. won't they be surprised..
16:25:16 <nsITobin> as I am v4!
16:25:49 <nsITobin> but I remain Tobin so I still have my .. mouth :P
16:26:22 <nsITobin> the x11 nazis will too
16:26:58 <nsITobin> i want the 2010s social justice warriors and 2020s cyber-magas to appear as the two sides of the same coin it really is
16:28:17 <nsITobin> who better than me.. the sperg welcome no where and tollerated rarely.. I bring order to chaos and clarity to the cloud.
16:28:33 <nsITobin> as in.. no cloud.
16:28:36 <nsITobin> only clarity
16:28:40 <nsITobin> and the internet
16:28:49 <nsITobin> clearnet
16:29:52 <nsITobin> The example.. that illuminates examples..
16:31:25 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I find speechifying to be calming
16:31:33 <nsITobin> better than random attacks and screaming
16:31:51 <nsITobin> that nearly got me banned on this network.. for legit reasons
16:33:11 <zedmatrix> cool it worked ! http://0x0.st/859a.14.zbc
16:36:02 <zedmatrix> ive never taken the time to build that package from blfs
16:36:27 <zedmatrix> i kinda cheated and used archlinux's pkgbuild for the idea
16:38:24 <zedmatrix> hmm that could bootstrap from the temp toolchain the whole chapter 8 
17:03:49 <zedmatrix> nsITobin: once i have all these scripts the next time i do a git pull on the BLFS book, it'll be easier to update
17:23:17 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I still believe in an ecosystem of distributions but only just.. and really it should be a diverse from scratch ecosystem not just parroting $majorDistro
17:23:47 <nsITobin> Enterprise Linux is no longer stable sure bet.. and consumer linux is gross
17:23:51 <nsITobin> just how it is
17:55:19 <zedmatrix> but it sure is fun writing package definition files
18:02:57 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I agree 
18:03:26 <nsITobin> it is also fun to configure openbox to start select programs and position them where I want leaving me with a clear mainscreen but a poopulated secondary screens
18:04:19 <nsITobin> soon as I get a positive build for the sysroot i will then work on a downloader
18:26:57 <zedmatrix> yea i keep forgetting how to get the coords of open windows so that i can put them into the conf file
18:27:41 <zedmatrix> but i am still some time before that, still working on a blfs package database setup
18:29:05 <zedmatrix> i would like to be able to get to the point where i have all the packages, and just go ./build xorg
19:26:11 <nsITobin> https://i.ibb.co/BHryYmSC/image.png
19:26:20 <nsITobin> that is one perty proc tree
19:28:49 <zedmatrix> lol 
19:29:09 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: I sure went through enough to get it..
19:29:13 <nsITobin> that is for sure
19:34:42 <zedmatrix> hmm but it too complex ... what happened to / ? lol
19:51:44 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: ?
19:51:57 <nsITobin> i was looking it from the host perspective
19:52:06 <nsITobin> as it was running
19:52:09 <nsITobin> it is still running
19:52:50 <nsITobin> welll i got my .. objdir sysroot but i had to copy stuff to eliminate weirdness
19:52:52 <nsITobin> which is fine
19:53:34 <nsITobin> every time I try and be too complex about it it snaps at me
19:53:46 <nsITobin> because it is deviating from my vision
19:54:00 <nsITobin> which is not to be anymore complex than is needed.. minimally
19:54:07 <nsITobin> and to be as easy as building UXP
20:00:51 <zedmatrix> now that i have the ability to rip the blfs book, i just haveto make the dep tree
20:02:40 <zedmatrix> i dont think i am at the recursion check stage yet
20:12:08 <nsITobin> zedmatrix: there a run is successful.. now to do it again to verify and this time all the way through.. just ./mach build
20:12:22 <nsITobin> which will get me to the point of building rpms and i can lock it the HELL OFF
20:12:24 <nsITobin> lol
20:20:16 <zedmatrix> nice yea its nice to be able to rebuild over and over