files.thereisonlyxul.org/adhoc/patc…sstyle-prefers-reduced-motion.patch -- files.thereisonlyxul.org/adhoc/patches/prefers-reduced-motion.html

that's it for me today

weird, Giggityhub doesn't want to load here right now

it gets stuck at the TLS handshake

tomman: maybe I pissed em off more than I thought LOL

either that or the Maduro administration ordered ISPs to cripple Giggityhub well before the elections here, which is always a possibility

(it hosts anti-censorship tools, after all)

Or it's simply a update gone stale on their end, but I can't find any news article saying "GH is down, the world is on fire"

github.com/rn10950/RetroZilla does this open at your end?

let's see what ddos retarding cf does with these couple of queries in

OK, after several attempts, it finally opened

Timestamp: 7/26/2024, 8:11:43 PM

Error: XML Parsing Error: no root element found

Location: challenges.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/c…66cda2851/749b01d017c3ad7/chl_api_m

Line Number 1, Column 1:

Source File: challenges.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/c…66cda2851/749b01d017c3ad7/chl_api_m

Line: 1

that's different

..and died again, looks like either it's unstable, or someone is messing on the wire

tomman: yes github is fine for me.. just you're not allowed to SEE me

wait

XML Parsing Error no root element found.. i wonder if it fed it json

well it sure ain't feeding it xml

.. it sounds familar

uhh

what

on cf challenge page i opened devtools and reloaded and it str8 crashed to desktop no passing go no soft phrasing for illegal operations

seamonkey.exe has triggered a breakpoint.

line 272 CycleCollectedJSContext.cpp

oh fuck

OH FUCK

the god damned cyclecollector

oof

well this isn't like its the main code in xpcom or anything but still anyone whom has ever uttered the phrase cyclecollector has made it sound ridiculous

so this is hitting a MOZ_RELEASE_ASSERT

MOZ_RELEASE_ASSERT(ccjs->mPendingMicroTaskRunnables.empty());

stepping over sends us to an exception being thrown 0xC0000005 so

that's about the limit of my debugging capabilities

issue in savedjobqueue if devtools is open/opened sometimes

Well tomman I am pretty happy with mah progress in the whole contributing to SeaMonkey incuding mashing some working c++ into slightly different but also working C++ never thought I'd ever get around to it.

oh look my windows 10 uxp style patches are up high in the patchqueue

I should talk to frg about em tomorrow see if I can get them in

oh joy, it's now Wikipedia also throwing the same TLS handshake failures

I'm starting to smell censorship here :/

possible

tomman: you want an ssh account through one of my servers you can tunnel through for a while to see?

force-colors I am just gonna bind to document_use_colors || accessibility theme not even bother prefing it

OK, turned out it's not censorship... yet

it isn't?

after checking with my other line (a DSL from the commie ISP), it's my fiber ISP upstream ISP peering providers

one of their routes is being run by a hungry router

well there is always next time

the folks at #networking helped me pinpoint the exact chokepoint

cool

Anyway, elections are in less than 36 hours, so...

again, if you don't see me here next Monday, send help

and nukes

i don't have any nukes

i mean i'd like some but ownership is problematic..

tomman: I dunno the political situation for you or what is up for the consiquences of your elections

nah, the risk here is that no matter who wins, Maduro will claim the win via fraud, disown the results, and hello Fidel 3.0

it's like Trump, except that we have no guns here

I mean, censorship over digital media has ramped up massively in the last week

(traditional media has been neutered for long time)

Well I am fairly certain Trump had him self shot because ever since then the consiracy sites have been all about biden why did he drop out is he even still alive.. if this had been a legit assination attempt or one ordered by the democrats every right wing place would be saying this.. when the aligning news and altnews are not talking about the big thing their side should be hugely on about.. there is some fishy shit going on...

but I hardly have to explain this to you tomman

Anyway, next Monday will be a interesting day...

...and so will be the next 5 months - even if Maduro loses, whoever wins cannot legally assume presidency yet until January, as per our laws

plenty of time for him to do a lot of damage

tomman: I hope well.. i hope the best possible situation for you and the common citizen that can come out of it does.. if not a radical miracle

But the most likely outcome is fraud as usual

well between status quo fraud that doesn't have much affect vs fraud that makes radical and worse outcomes

effect*

I dunno i expect Biden to win in 2024 regardless that he already dropped out.. that's my amount of confidence in microsoft elections

tomman:

Microsoft Elections for Workgroups! :D

Well I liked the older version

at least Diebold doesn't make voting machines anymore

can't wait for wayland powered linux voting machines

too bad I still have to endure their no-arms bandits AKA ATMs that always love eating my money and refusing my cards

ugh, ours run Win10 (don't ask me how they got the licenses considering the sanctions), and... for some reason, WinRAR

tomman: kmspico isn't uncommon

anyway good night #SeaMonkey

0727|04:23:40 <+nsITobin> can't wait for wayland powered linux voting machines <-- and running CrowdStrike software?

tomman: these TLS issues remind me of Sompi's troubles, although that was TCP handshake, right?

Sompi: (still the same or any news?)

njsg: yes, the problem still exists

njsg: The problem has existed since Kela outsourced its web hosting to F5 in USA. And I have sent e-mails to Kela's technical support but there simply aren't any competent people who would even understand what the problem is about

They just answer with generic corporate bullshit

Kansaneläkelaitos doing "generic corporate bullshit"-style answers sure is nice...

Sompi: but wasn't this happening with other sites as well? what about Elisa, any chance this could be a networking problem somewhere at Elisa?

I have that problem only when trying to access kela.fi

But of course it is possible that something is wrong with Elisa. The ISPs here are so incompetent that they cannot even get IPv6 working

The problem started when Kela outsourced the web hosting to F5, but Kela's IT support folk are somehow unable to escalate the problem to them

(maybe they're aiming at "better than junaverkko" and not much beyond that? :-P)

It seems that they don't even understand the thing at all

I wish I had enough experience/knowledge to be able to tell what this might be. No other site behind the same provider via the same-ish route to compare?

If I had a list of F5-hosted sites, I could try accessing them and see if some website has the same problem

Good morning #SeaMonkey

hey the frg_Away i noticed you had mah windows 10 style .. completion patches up there in the unprocessed section of the patchqueue how would I say.. grab em and make em part of my patch progression?

assuming this july update doesn't bust my env

nsITobin Hi might be because I am happy with the style under 10 for most parts. I tested them but was not so convinced sorry :) Saved them for later to take another look

hardly matters broadly i guess windows 10 is nearly gone except for holdouts and windows 11's style was not accounted for at the time.

so makes sense

I think it was mostly colors? Forgot.

I am not sure I tested all

I added a bottom border onto table col headers and kept the menubar white and the rest of the toolbox moz-dialog which follows MOST updated windows apps that bothered

also vs file manager using the most core windows style

that was my influence at the time but yeah its cool and all not like i can't locally apply or more likely just use Modern ;)

nsITobin yes menubar I remember. Found it a bit too white. Some other programs I use are like ours

the only issue with windows 11 is in a VM it doesn't act like it does on hardware unless you fake it just right cause that xaml island and half the windows 11 new ux features rely on hardware compositing while software reverts to closer to windows 10 style and rendering

nsITobin clssic on 11 here had bad menu colors

and 11 itself bad choice :)

frg_Away: the compramise of course between stark white and my more core style is just apply moz-dialog to toolboxes and just have em be grey like they were lol

I won't install it until either someone funds or I do a new ntlite license.. i must remove windows defender from defending it against my personal files it deems as undesirable

nsITobin just updated a 10 vm for free

and even free I can't stand it

during the pre-release builds windows defender exploite dmy lax network security to worm out onto the network and delete files from remote systems by quanteening them but that doesn't actually work over smb it results in unrecoverable deletion

never again will I allow windows defender on here

from a VM

suffice it to say I don;t have rw Everyone smb shares no more

the others are worse

had a particular liking for my php code actually

btw. Bug 1437360 applies unmodified

nice

love when that happens

no longer seeing errors from the add-on updater. No that ther is something to update...

is atbn giving json responses or rdf responses..

I think json but I didn't look too hard

I made some enhancements for update.json in uxp and the updater in prep for defining a more complete json replacement for update.rdf so everything could just use that

the next step was to add a schema version and if supplied it would use a more 1:1 update.json vs update.rdf if no schema it falls back to my modified assume firefox id for firefox and toolkit id for everything else

for comm apps

yeah this was based on Mozilla's bug just with some enhancements

there is too much exact mozilla code style to be mine

only real difference between that and the current code is my using firefox id OR toolkit id this incarnation in the tree sets it to just be whatever app requested it.. The real issue with that to me is if the server is wrong then you downloaded opened parsed it then rejected instead of being rejected after the check to the server was done and why at the time if i was gonna do update.json for xul extensions i need update.rdf's equivalnce

I only relate all that because I dunno if it applies to what seamonkey wants to be doing and even if it does if it matters at this point and time considering other factors

See I don't wanna go off on some half cocked wild eyed xul development advanture on some piece of feature tech and come back and have it be "that's great that's impressive but what does it have to do with SeaMonkey/How does it help SeaMonkey users"

else I may as well contribute to mozilla-central lol

virtual/augmented reality firefox that's the ticket LOL

cloudflare still wants forced-colors that can just be bound to document_use_colors and accessibility no specific pref required as in firefox and everywhere else it is determined by the OS and linked to other prefers in implication and word of spec but not in any technical capacity

first I need to make a duplicate of prefers-reduced-motion as prefers-reduced-transparency

seems my windows side by side thing is slightly corrupt and windows won't update anymore

LTSC 2019 is more or less the same codebase save some feature enablements

looks to just be SoftwareDistribution is corrupt not sxs

I just nuked the recovery partition because some other kb didn't install

Usuallx go without it anyway

building for prefers-reduced-transparency

i think i pissed it off it is rebuilding most of the tree

yeah frg_Away I am not too broken up about it i figure they are subtly sabotaging it anyway to get people like me off ltsc

tho as WPA proves it just makes people loose passion for your platform and just exploit it as a simple tool without any further regard

2022 was the same

frg_Away: mark your calendar.. so there MAY be a point to SOME of this testing framework after all.. BUT not all of it ;)

files.thereisonlyxul.org/adhoc/patc…-prefers-reduced-transparency.patch -- files.thereisonlyxul.org/adhoc/patc…s/prefers-reduced-transparency.html

time to check cf

earning Expected : or ) after media feature name but found seems they added <= = => to media queries at some point.. what else is there

-ms-high-contrast

rather bugzilla.mozilla.org/957988

but its unresolved so don't care

force-colors seems to be the last one with the source bing from dom.. I assume js setting

forced-colors

just gonna duplicate prefers-reduced-transparency str8 up cause its tied to exactly that and/or accessibility

frg_Away: once I get prefers-reduced-data in think that would be a good user facing pref for the media prefpane?

that one if sites actually honor it would be great for me when I go on a trip na dhave to teather

as I have limited mobile data on my plan

well that's it.. out of media queries for CF to bitch about but it still ain't working

Timestamp: 7/27/2024, 12:27:59 PM

Warning: Expected ‘:’ or ‘)’ after media feature name but found ‘<’.

Source File: romhacking.net/?page=translations&languageid=12&startpage=2

Line: 1, Column: 5001

Source Code:

*{box-sizing:border-box;margin:0;padding:0}html{line-height:1.15;-webkit-text-size-adjust:100%;color:#313131}button,html{font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Segoe UI,Roboto,Helvetica Neue,Arial,Noto Sans,sans-serif,Apple Color Emoji,Segoe UI Emoji,Segoe UI Symbol,Noto Color Emoji}@media (prefers-color-scheme:dark){body{background-color:#222;color:#d9d9d9}body a{color:#fff}body a:hover{color:#ee730a;text-decoration:underline}body

thank god i closed before anymore of that pasted

the toolkit js console needs some constraining when copying an error

that was nuts you should see my local backlog

frg_Away: if it is this.. bugzilla.mozilla.org/1422225 and I think it is.. UXP has a version of it as well.. and THAT may be the current clownflare root cause

since I added all the media queries it was bitching about

but i dunno if it is within my current capabilities to do

nsITobin in rust we trust. Needs a reimplementation or liftig from uxp.

clownflare seem to break on the screen feature.

i can't find the specific commit if i was even right in the first place.. They been hitting style hard .. removed the rest of rust and are simplifing stuff down to be more direct again instead of proxified for both systems..

We might need to do it if stylo is out but I still have some hope. Just need to do js first because breaks more sites.

as near as I can figure rust is gonna be apart of the codebase regardless for seamonkey so I guess we are just gonna have to hook it up..

I don't disagree and also hold out some hope

problem is the interface generation with c++

webidl with dom as a jsapi application and not xpconnect?

or we still on rust

frg_Away: likely best when you do ever update the base-hg repo to keep UXP code in the patchqueue incase we have to switch gears

an advantage I wish we had during the webcomponents push.. so much of that was initally botched and had to be fixed later and there are still some unknowns when it comes to the older aspects of the engine

circa Pale Moon 29

early nighty night

sorry went randomly to walmart for no reason

well rest well frg :P

sup njsg