00:23:17 ah Wikipedia, you always find a way to suck 00:23:29 what did they do now? 00:23:42 they now popup a sort of dialog box to setup page appearance (font size, text width, etc) 00:23:43 very handy 00:23:50 ...if only the settings sticked 00:24:06 even worse, the popup comes on every page you open, while the settings reset to defsault 00:24:09 --default 00:25:05 Developer console logs no script errors... 00:36:46 cookie? 00:36:52 dom storage? 00:37:03 bad coding? 00:37:05 tomman: 00:37:26 I liked Wikipedia how it was about 15 years ago 00:37:32 Basic HTML and it just worked 00:37:41 and every language version had the exact same layout 00:38:27 well Sompi_ want to create a clone of olderpedia with php? 00:38:47 i mean once you got the wikitext handled the hardest part is .. SECURITY 00:40:42 Sompi_: these days every language version have pretty much the exact same layout 00:40:51 there was a time not long ago where some languages did diverged 00:40:54 but I guess no more 00:41:38 nsITobin: Wikipedia uses both cookies and Local Storage, it seems 00:41:50 FWIW, I do not have an account there, I always read it as guest 00:43:18 Also, after checking with devtools, it seems the appearance control panel there (that pops up by default) doesn't save the settings at all 00:43:45 it does apply them successfully to the currently displayed page, but settings don't seem to be persistent 00:44:12 no, wait, a cookie changes 00:44:28 enwikimwclientpreferences:"vector-feature-custom-font-size-clientpref-0%2Cvector-feature-limited-width-clientpref-0%2Cvector-feature-appearance-pinned-clientpref-0" 00:44:47 enwikimwclientpreferences:"vector-feature-custom-font-size-clientpref-0%2Cvector-feature-limited-width-clientpref-0%2Cvector-feature-appearance-pinned-clientpref-0" 00:45:01 is there a difference? 00:45:09 hmm, the cookie flashes orange on devtools when changed, but it seems every time it gets saved... nothing changes at all 00:45:29 (I did changed text size between those two cookies, notice nothing really changed) 00:45:31 maybe the cookie being read is where the issue is 00:45:42 but it sets fine 00:45:49 perhaps a typo somewhere 00:47:55 yeah, no mater what I change, the correct event fires up, the cookie gets saved properly, but the actual cookie value is not set to the expected user-selected value... 00:48:02 maybe some subtle type difference or whatever? 00:49:05 what like oatmeal rasin? 00:50:48 nsITobin: Nowadays I would probably just write the backend in C... because if I write it in PHP, the same code would not work after ten years 00:51:18 I hate it when programming languages change so that the old code stops working 00:51:47 Sompi_: without updates likely not but I do have an old ass mozilla rdf parser from 2006 or something that I brought back to life 00:51:52 in php 00:52:27 few bc updates and a couple enhancements but otherwise same code 00:53:11 I enjoy php overall 00:54:57 My idealized webapp is a nice piece of php server software and only as much JS as is required for specific tasks.. like syntax highlighting or whatever.. with as reasonable a graceful fallback as possible on the js to no js and css featuresets 00:56:18 I guess I have just always been more of the server does the processing client does the presenting .. thing 00:56:39 including most html output 01:00:11 I just shut down an old IBM PC 300GL that was running non-stop for ten years 01:01:29 First 7 or 8 years as a server, then as an IRC shell 02:17:14 ha, a 300GL 02:17:23 haven't seen one of those since I graduated from college... in 2009 02:17:40 didn't liked that case design that much 02:18:20 fortunately it was succeeded with the much nicer looking and better serviceable Netvista/Thinkcentre 02:34:27 I just installed ST-DOS to a Thinkcentre 02:51:04 https://www.pcworld.com/article/2405664/windows-11-strikes-again-with-irritating-pop-up-that-cant-be-disabled.html 08:51:34 tomman: I've been seeing slight differences between enwiki and ptwiki, but it might be both different settings and some userContent.css rule 08:53:00 0731|01:51:25 < Sompi_> I hate it when programming languages change so that the old code stops working <-- you must love Python, then. :-P 08:55:03 tomman: there are apparently GET parameters to set the skin, you can always try that with wikipedia. I get no pop-ups, but besides being logged in with a skin set, there's also NoScript 10:26:13 njsg: on the rust compiler changing front. I con;t consider the crates part of the language. tey are currnt best practice of how to perform funcitons securely within the rust language 10:26:41 the crates are morle like the C runtime library then part of the actual language definition 10:29:40 changes are more like you need to use snprintf now instead of sprintf in you c code because sprintf has no way to prevent overflowing the buffer size 10:37:35 differnce is they did not remove the unsafe to use fuction from the c library so still really easy for users to generate unsafe code 16:06:08 What's crackin #SeaMonkey 17:26:05 hi nsITobin 17:26:20 What's new frg_Away 17:27:41 nsITobin nothing much. Hopefully more time in 2 weeks. 17:28:39 I am this https://ibb.co/NFJPqGd 17:29:37 push pop reorder change refresh 17:30:00 that was all one patch originally 17:39:13 I'll likely switch gears in a little bit and reset my env for 2.53 and work some php and setting my gogs instance back up 17:48:08 nsITobin yes mq is great for this. 17:48:40 any good hg forges out there lol 17:51:59 See if I were Mozilla .. and I might be.. tho many will contest that especially Mozilla.. I would maintain hg internally and use git cinnabar for the public git version accepting PRs but not actually merging them.. a hook would take the PR and reformat it for hg and add it to a patchqueue for testing that way you get the ease of git for little more overhead than you already have for an established and well oiled hg scheme.. even if half of it is 17:51:59 objectively dumb cause lolmodernzilla 18:02:50 I haven't managed for form any opinions about hg yet. I have very strong positive feelings for git, but that may be because I'm comparing it to cp -r verison control and/or CVS (and frankly between the two of those, I prefer the former). 18:02:59 *to form 18:04:24 I suppose if I ever am involved in a dev project that uses hg, I'll form opinions one way or the other about it. 18:05:38 I've heard good things about DARCS but haven't had occasion to work with it either. 18:07:24 My biggest complaint about git is that it's rather more line-based than I would prefer, same as tools like diff and patch. 18:12:20 maybe we need a new vcs 19:21:25 I have no idea whether there's an existing one that moves away from being line based. For me that issue isn't serious enough to motivate me to look into alternatives. 19:56:08 not sure there is much more I can really do on central without disterbing the landscape too much aside from hook up the toolbar buttons in Buoy .. https://i.ibb.co/FBVYqc2/image.png 19:58:10 esmification i suppose as far as their scripts went ignoring functionality 19:58:25 the mechanical conversion 19:58:56 that's something for another time tho 19:59:10 and that is a maybe anyway 21:17:18 god scripting is locked down to hell from a xul perspective 22:48:18 clrh 22:48:59 njsg: so this window i been creating looks pretty really similar to Netscape 0.9 22:49:51 which I GUESS makes sense seeing as the absolute basic bare bones to do any in-content diag with would need the most primitive interface.. eg netscape 22:50:22 actually mosiac but we don't talk about that 22:50:24 lol 22:50:27 traditionally 22:57:09 I guess I should buy pre-printed post-its saying "IRC commands require slash; numlock disabled disables numpad slash" 22:57:40 just for fun, the order will also include a "password is 12345" batch 22:58:10 WORKSFORME 23:43:59 njsg: numpad / soeks for me for irc irrespective on numlock enabled state 23:44:41 so seems might be a hardwareor OS related issue 23:46:22 my numeric keypad / key lsit no other character so haiving it workind differently depending on nulock state would seem to me to be incorrect behavior 23:48:12 I doubt I will ever adopt that _Away tradition