00:06:19 <nsITobin> could try the not-always-being-here thing seems to work for a lot of people but then I'd miss out on the breakneck dialog
00:54:23 <njsg> nsITobin: WORKSFORME on which platform?
00:54:47 <nsITobin> the post-its platform
00:54:51 <nsITobin> ;)
00:54:52 <njsg> ah :-)
00:55:20 <njsg> WG9s_Away: yeah, if it's different, I'd guess hardware or platform indeed
00:55:30 <nsITobin> I tried whiteboard as a service but i kept loosing my content.. post-its retain data far better in my experience
00:55:44 <njsg> X11 and a keyboard of some manufacturer which only goes by their initials, must be off-brand
00:55:47 <njsg> "IBM"
00:56:08 <njsg> (and the answer is "no, it's rubber dome already" :-P)
00:56:20 <nsITobin> that's disgusting
00:56:32 <nsITobin> buckleing spring or microswitch
00:56:44 <nsITobin> i need that click
00:57:07 <njsg> (it's actually a kind of rubber dome that makes you feel "I can't believe this isn't buckling spring", no idea how they managed that, but it has quite a tactile feedback)
00:58:02 <nsITobin> oh one of those.. yeah sure we COULD mass produce these but it costs too much in development tooling materals and manufacturing.. but we made some to prove it can be done.. good luck finding nothing but rubber domes for 15 years
00:59:46 <njsg> my guess is this was released too close to buckling spring keyboards, and maybe they were under pressure to make it feel as similar as possible
01:01:08 <nsITobin> if more businesses maintained at LEAST as good a quality as the thing they are replacing.. we'd be in a far better position globally
01:03:13 <njsg> Maybe the Logitech CEO needs to hear that.
01:05:51 <nsITobin> heh package-manifest.in is in severe need of an update.. NOT TOUCHING THAT ANYTIME SOON.. tells it @res@/* and comments outs the couple of NO_PKG_FILES that still exist that it complains about cause idc atm i want to package everything
01:06:37 <nsITobin> I hate package-manifest so much
01:07:29 <nsITobin> seriously it should be package-exclusions would have saved so much an insane amount of time in people's actual lives to do other things
01:07:47 <nsITobin> or better yet.. use NO_PKG_FILES lol
01:08:02 <nsITobin> except...
01:08:09 <nsITobin> macintosh is special
01:08:38 <nsITobin> if it was just winders and UNIX_BUT_NOT_MAC then that would be fine and dandy..
01:10:46 <nsITobin> every single time I EVER had to update package-manifest in a big way such as this its always taken me hours across days to get it JUST RIGHT .. in the end where I couldn't just drop it I wildcard everything I could save the bin stuff
15:13:08 <frg_Away> nsITobin http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=3123637
15:13:56 <nsITobin>  when dark win os
15:14:05 <nsITobin> does that mean he expects it to be able to sync?
15:14:34 <frg_Away> I suspect it
15:15:42 <nsITobin> edge doesn't have my mozillazine creds..
15:24:01 <nsITobin> https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14981681#p14981681
15:25:02 <frg_Away> thanks
15:34:33 <nsITobin> frg_Away: no problem
16:54:18 <frg_Away> nsITobin back from lunch
17:03:21 <nsITobin> lunch munch and dinner all my favorite meals
18:23:10 <Sompi_> https://asiointi.traficom.fi/oma-asiointi/?lang=fi now this has also stopped working (not sure if I have already mentioned this)
18:24:26 <Sompi_> I don't know why that page even needs javascript imports (probably it doesn't)
18:25:23 <Sompi_> On Firefox it the page also throws some errors to the console, but then there is probably a HTML redirect that redirects it to something that works
18:27:31 <Sompi_> or somehow it redirects after the error. I don't see a HTML redirect
18:31:46 <nsITobin> final screenshot before I shelve this for a while https://storage.binaryoutcast.com/pub/labs/pipedreams/screenshot-2.127a1.png
18:37:36 <Sompi_> where can I get that?
18:41:45 <nsITobin> Sompi_: it doesn't do much except make it easier to show what is all busted by modernzilla
18:41:50 <dillon> hello
18:41:57 <nsITobin> and would almost certainly corrupt any profile it came in contact with
18:42:00 <nsITobin> hey dillon
18:42:17 <dillon> hows it going?
18:42:17 <Sompi_> ok
18:42:22 <Sompi_> can I use this: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/box/download_arrow.gif
18:42:27 <Sompi_> on st-dos's website?
18:43:00 <nsITobin> Sompi_: you asking about image rights?
18:43:03 <Sompi_> yes
18:43:27 <nsITobin> mozilla's normal policy on content imagry is except for brands either mpl or one of the cc licences
18:43:41 <nsITobin> creative commons.. u'd have to check the repos see what it was under
18:45:13 <Sompi_> maybe I'll just draw my own arrow
18:45:15 <nsITobin> Sompi_: looks like they purged www-archive's repo off hg
18:45:28 <nsITobin> i bet you can use it just gotta know the right attrib
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18:50:50 <Roboto> anyone using antix?
18:50:54 <nsITobin> Sompi_: so i guess not.. but i doubt anyone would care
18:52:00 <nsITobin> it's a download arrow from 20 years ago in a style everyone hates these days Sompi_ unless someone says otherwise I say go for it
18:52:23 <nsITobin> and if Mozilla wants to be bitchy about it I'll design SM a new arrow lol
18:52:35 <nsITobin> Roboto: the linux distro?
18:54:13 <nsITobin> Sompi_: besides, I been using the puzzle piece for a decade and elements of cavendish for that long.. they merely just dislike me as a person not so much what I do
18:56:07 <Roboto> @nsITobin yes
18:57:59 <nsITobin> I don't .. looked into it but it didn't fit with my requirements.. I am building my own distro .. slowly
18:58:26 <nsITobin> and leeching off whatever works from the redhat ecosystem until my stuff can replace it
18:58:53 <Roboto> ah i got a low end pc from the dump and antix seems to be the only one that runs smooth
18:59:11 <nsITobin> I assume you run SeaMonkey on it
18:59:17 <Roboto> i do
18:59:22 <nsITobin> how's it run under those conditions?
18:59:39 <nsITobin> save for the usual heavy js sites of course
18:59:51 <Roboto> eh it loads but dont have whats needed to watch youtube or see many sites like java
19:00:09 <Roboto> thinking of seeing if linux mint works
19:00:24 <nsITobin> do you have pulseaudio?
19:00:33 <nsITobin> or is it str8 Alsa
19:00:35 <nsITobin> or something else
19:00:48 <nsITobin> could also be just missing media codecs
19:00:53 <Roboto> yea alsaaudiomix?
19:00:55 <nsITobin> libav and the like
19:01:17 <Roboto> IceWM desktop enviroment
19:01:18 <nsITobin> try going to Help > Troubleshooting or about:support and seeing whatt it says
19:02:22 <Roboto> what am i looking for?
19:02:28 <nsITobin> Good question..
19:02:38 <nsITobin> let me reboot back into the linux and pull it up
19:02:43 <nsITobin> give me a few minutes
19:02:44 <Roboto> ok
19:04:53 <nsITobin> Have I reached the party to whom I am speaking?
19:05:53 <nsITobin> Roboto: Hello, ah X11, penbox, artwiz-boxed, win2k blue.. much nicer than Windows 10 LTSC 2019
19:06:21 <nsITobin> Alright under the Media section what does Audio Backend say
19:06:25 <nsITobin> its under graphics
19:07:44 <nsITobin> also looks like hwaccel isn't on by default on linux still so you will have to track down that env var for pre-quantum era firefox to force that on unless there is a pref I don't know about.
19:08:27 <nsITobin> layers.acceleration.force-enabled flip that to get hwaccel tho there may be glitches..
19:08:39 <nsITobin> and let me know what Media > Audio Backend says it is
19:09:34 <nsITobin> Someone remind me of an enhancement to the suite that adds a restart command to the File Menu..
19:18:12 <Sompi_> http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/download.gif
19:18:32 <Sompi_> nsITobin: You can use this
19:24:11 <nsITobin> Sompi_: grab the arrow off Pale Moon's site
19:24:19 <nsITobin> he didn't make that
19:28:59 <Sompi_> but I already made that download.gif
19:29:24 <nsITobin> welp Sompi_ now you can never ever change it...
19:29:26 <nsITobin> lol
19:34:50 <Sompi_> http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/doskernel.php
19:34:56 <Sompi_> I need a mascot for my operating system
19:38:26 <nsITobin> why not just use a happy floppy disk with the logo on the label
19:39:45 <Sompi_> because it can also be booted from an optical disk, USB stick or hard drive
19:40:24 <nsITobin> which drive indicator does it use C> or C:\
19:40:49 <Sompi_> currently only C:\ and it cannot be configured
19:40:57 <Sompi_> the command prompt is a mess
19:41:09 <nsITobin> cause one is an ice cream cone and the other is a happy dos using person wearing one of those flat hats
19:41:27 <nsITobin> so either or
19:41:45 <Sompi_> C:\>[blinking _]
19:41:55 <nsITobin> yeah people do that a lot too
19:42:55 <Sompi_> in MS-DOS COMMAND.COM it is configurable via the environment variables
19:48:04 <tomman> reminder: I have a DOS box now running less than 2m away
19:48:27 <tomman> (OK, Windows Me, but that's still DOS despite Microsoft attempts to bury it under the carpet)
19:48:43 <Sompi_> I have a server running ST-DOS
19:51:55 <Sompi_> because that thing has a TCP/IP stack and it can go to the internetz
19:52:45 <tomman> butbutbut someone could pwn your retrobox!
19:52:53 <tomman> like, installing maleware or mining buttcoins!
19:52:59 <Sompi_> how
19:53:05 <Sompi_> it doesn't have any known vulnerabilities
19:53:11 <tomman> tell that to every researcher ever :D
19:53:24 <tomman> Someone told me about a video where they tested modern malware on a Windows 9x machine
19:53:37 <tomman> surprisingly no malware they tested was able to run on the target
19:53:44 <tomman> even evil has its standards nowadays, I guess
19:54:19 <Sompi_> but ST-DOS is a modern operating system that is kept up-to-date and I do regular bug fixes to it
19:54:37 <Sompi_> and the server boots from a write-protected diskette
22:49:54 <nsITobin> Sompi_: very cool
22:56:11 <Sompi_> http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/doskernel.php I made more icons with GIMP!
22:56:24 <Sompi_> now there are four different icons for different storage devices
22:58:25 <nsITobin> binaryoutcast.com and thereisonlyxul.org is now back on BinOC infrastructure please someone see that they come up