00:06:19 could try the not-always-being-here thing seems to work for a lot of people but then I'd miss out on the breakneck dialog 00:54:23 nsITobin: WORKSFORME on which platform? 00:54:47 the post-its platform 00:54:51 ;) 00:54:52 ah :-) 00:55:20 WG9s_Away: yeah, if it's different, I'd guess hardware or platform indeed 00:55:30 I tried whiteboard as a service but i kept loosing my content.. post-its retain data far better in my experience 00:55:44 X11 and a keyboard of some manufacturer which only goes by their initials, must be off-brand 00:55:47 "IBM" 00:56:08 (and the answer is "no, it's rubber dome already" :-P) 00:56:20 that's disgusting 00:56:32 buckleing spring or microswitch 00:56:44 i need that click 00:57:07 (it's actually a kind of rubber dome that makes you feel "I can't believe this isn't buckling spring", no idea how they managed that, but it has quite a tactile feedback) 00:58:02 oh one of those.. yeah sure we COULD mass produce these but it costs too much in development tooling materals and manufacturing.. but we made some to prove it can be done.. good luck finding nothing but rubber domes for 15 years 00:59:46 my guess is this was released too close to buckling spring keyboards, and maybe they were under pressure to make it feel as similar as possible 01:01:08 if more businesses maintained at LEAST as good a quality as the thing they are replacing.. we'd be in a far better position globally 01:03:13 Maybe the Logitech CEO needs to hear that. 01:05:51 heh package-manifest.in is in severe need of an update.. NOT TOUCHING THAT ANYTIME SOON.. tells it @res@/* and comments outs the couple of NO_PKG_FILES that still exist that it complains about cause idc atm i want to package everything 01:06:37 I hate package-manifest so much 01:07:29 seriously it should be package-exclusions would have saved so much an insane amount of time in people's actual lives to do other things 01:07:47 or better yet.. use NO_PKG_FILES lol 01:08:02 except... 01:08:09 macintosh is special 01:08:38 if it was just winders and UNIX_BUT_NOT_MAC then that would be fine and dandy.. 01:10:46 every single time I EVER had to update package-manifest in a big way such as this its always taken me hours across days to get it JUST RIGHT .. in the end where I couldn't just drop it I wildcard everything I could save the bin stuff 15:13:08 nsITobin http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=3123637 15:13:56 when dark win os 15:14:05 does that mean he expects it to be able to sync? 15:14:34 I suspect it 15:15:42 edge doesn't have my mozillazine creds.. 15:24:01 https://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14981681#p14981681 15:25:02 thanks 15:34:33 frg_Away: no problem 16:54:18 nsITobin back from lunch 17:03:21 lunch munch and dinner all my favorite meals 18:23:10 https://asiointi.traficom.fi/oma-asiointi/?lang=fi now this has also stopped working (not sure if I have already mentioned this) 18:24:26 I don't know why that page even needs javascript imports (probably it doesn't) 18:25:23 On Firefox it the page also throws some errors to the console, but then there is probably a HTML redirect that redirects it to something that works 18:27:31 or somehow it redirects after the error. I don't see a HTML redirect 18:31:46 final screenshot before I shelve this for a while https://storage.binaryoutcast.com/pub/labs/pipedreams/screenshot-2.127a1.png 18:37:36 where can I get that? 18:41:45 Sompi_: it doesn't do much except make it easier to show what is all busted by modernzilla 18:41:50 hello 18:41:57 and would almost certainly corrupt any profile it came in contact with 18:42:00 hey dillon 18:42:17 hows it going? 18:42:17 ok 18:42:22 can I use this: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/images/box/download_arrow.gif 18:42:27 on st-dos's website? 18:43:00 Sompi_: you asking about image rights? 18:43:03 yes 18:43:27 mozilla's normal policy on content imagry is except for brands either mpl or one of the cc licences 18:43:41 creative commons.. u'd have to check the repos see what it was under 18:45:13 maybe I'll just draw my own arrow 18:45:15 Sompi_: looks like they purged www-archive's repo off hg 18:45:28 i bet you can use it just gotta know the right attrib 18:50:01 2008 18:50:02 The rights in the trademarks, logos, service marks of the Mozilla Foundation, as well as the look and feel of this web site, are not licensed under the Creative Commons license, and to the extent they are works of authorship (like logos and graphic design), they are not included in the work that is licensed under those terms. If you use the text of documents, and wish to also use any of these rights, or if you have any other questions about complying 18:50:02 with our licensing terms for this collection, you should email: 18:50:06 .. Mozilla 18:50:50 anyone using antix? 18:50:54 Sompi_: so i guess not.. but i doubt anyone would care 18:52:00 it's a download arrow from 20 years ago in a style everyone hates these days Sompi_ unless someone says otherwise I say go for it 18:52:23 and if Mozilla wants to be bitchy about it I'll design SM a new arrow lol 18:52:35 Roboto: the linux distro? 18:54:13 Sompi_: besides, I been using the puzzle piece for a decade and elements of cavendish for that long.. they merely just dislike me as a person not so much what I do 18:56:07 @nsITobin yes 18:57:59 I don't .. looked into it but it didn't fit with my requirements.. I am building my own distro .. slowly 18:58:26 and leeching off whatever works from the redhat ecosystem until my stuff can replace it 18:58:53 ah i got a low end pc from the dump and antix seems to be the only one that runs smooth 18:59:11 I assume you run SeaMonkey on it 18:59:17 i do 18:59:22 how's it run under those conditions? 18:59:39 save for the usual heavy js sites of course 18:59:51 eh it loads but dont have whats needed to watch youtube or see many sites like java 19:00:09 thinking of seeing if linux mint works 19:00:24 do you have pulseaudio? 19:00:33 or is it str8 Alsa 19:00:35 or something else 19:00:48 could also be just missing media codecs 19:00:53 yea alsaaudiomix? 19:00:55 libav and the like 19:01:17 IceWM desktop enviroment 19:01:18 try going to Help > Troubleshooting or about:support and seeing whatt it says 19:02:22 what am i looking for? 19:02:28 Good question.. 19:02:38 let me reboot back into the linux and pull it up 19:02:43 give me a few minutes 19:02:44 ok 19:04:53 Have I reached the party to whom I am speaking? 19:05:53 Roboto: Hello, ah X11, penbox, artwiz-boxed, win2k blue.. much nicer than Windows 10 LTSC 2019 19:06:21 Alright under the Media section what does Audio Backend say 19:06:25 its under graphics 19:07:44 also looks like hwaccel isn't on by default on linux still so you will have to track down that env var for pre-quantum era firefox to force that on unless there is a pref I don't know about. 19:08:27 layers.acceleration.force-enabled flip that to get hwaccel tho there may be glitches.. 19:08:39 and let me know what Media > Audio Backend says it is 19:09:34 Someone remind me of an enhancement to the suite that adds a restart command to the File Menu.. 19:18:12 http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/download.gif 19:18:32 nsITobin: You can use this 19:24:11 Sompi_: grab the arrow off Pale Moon's site 19:24:19 he didn't make that 19:28:59 but I already made that download.gif 19:29:24 welp Sompi_ now you can never ever change it... 19:29:26 lol 19:34:50 http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/doskernel.php 19:34:56 I need a mascot for my operating system 19:38:26 why not just use a happy floppy disk with the logo on the label 19:39:45 because it can also be booted from an optical disk, USB stick or hard drive 19:40:24 which drive indicator does it use C> or C:\ 19:40:49 currently only C:\ and it cannot be configured 19:40:57 the command prompt is a mess 19:41:09 cause one is an ice cream cone and the other is a happy dos using person wearing one of those flat hats 19:41:27 so either or 19:41:45 C:\>[blinking _] 19:41:55 yeah people do that a lot too 19:42:55 in MS-DOS COMMAND.COM it is configurable via the environment variables 19:48:04 reminder: I have a DOS box now running less than 2m away 19:48:27 (OK, Windows Me, but that's still DOS despite Microsoft attempts to bury it under the carpet) 19:48:43 I have a server running ST-DOS 19:51:55 because that thing has a TCP/IP stack and it can go to the internetz 19:52:45 butbutbut someone could pwn your retrobox! 19:52:53 like, installing maleware or mining buttcoins! 19:52:59 how 19:53:05 it doesn't have any known vulnerabilities 19:53:11 tell that to every researcher ever :D 19:53:24 Someone told me about a video where they tested modern malware on a Windows 9x machine 19:53:37 surprisingly no malware they tested was able to run on the target 19:53:44 even evil has its standards nowadays, I guess 19:54:19 but ST-DOS is a modern operating system that is kept up-to-date and I do regular bug fixes to it 19:54:37 and the server boots from a write-protected diskette 22:49:54 Sompi_: very cool 22:56:11 http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/fdshell/doskernel.php I made more icons with GIMP! 22:56:24 now there are four different icons for different storage devices 22:58:25 binaryoutcast.com and thereisonlyxul.org is now back on BinOC infrastructure please someone see that they come up