01:20:26 SO.. I been practicing my hg skills.. I have exported a git repo's patches and I have made em a patch queue .. to practice 01:26:19 merges are gonna be an issue 01:26:22 it seems 02:29:50 well this is a large repo 7000 some commits i am up to 1722 excluding merges.. i have no idea if the working directory result of the patch queue will end up the same as the origin repo and I won't know for some days as this is some work lol.. 02:30:18 and i am not soley doing just it 02:31:03 anyway.. the seas calm and I rest :P 12:50:34 good morning 12:52:49 k.. git is actually kinda terrible 12:53:40 because there is like zero way to actually take a long running repo with merges and export that to something that can be recreated by an inital state and patch files 12:56:25 it's annoying to find that aspect of a key tool.. yeah sure git works well enough as long as you commit to git, its ways, and never attempt to stray cause lol you can't... 13:00:40 morning the WG9s, how goes it? 13:01:15 going OK sort of. still trying to get c-c windows builds to work relibly 13:02:19 thunder-rust still giving you issues? 13:09:05 need to do a once over and give you guys the patches to land my cc devtools patch cause I also incorperated --chrome into it temporarily removing it from its normal location to the devtools clh and with the mc top patch to unblock ./mach run and deal with nulldllwhatsit so cc seamonkey can technically run 13:09:46 nsITobin: yes if requires a sync the thing i wrote to try to do the resync locally seems to be deficient 13:10:29 WG9s: don't be too hard on your self.. rust is inhearently deficient 13:10:34 i added a cargo update to se if that would help now need to wait till next time a sync is required to test it sufficiently 13:11:06 they really do want you to clear and recreate your env every single instance.. 13:11:24 fits with automation and such but the end user not so much 13:12:21 if this does not work i will change it to just test if mach tb-rust check-upstream says need a sync and then exit with an error instead of trying to fix it locally 13:14:16 i feel your struggle.. the crap mozilla has pulled that has trickled downstream in making it very difficult to build the code let alone fork it .. except MAYBE in the narrow scope of contributing to Firefox specifically its a damned nightmare i have found compared to the simplicity of saying HAY you need these libs on linux or mozillabuild on windows 13:14:27 and maybe visual studio dx and the windows sdk 13:15:57 get the nearly 100% working proceedure, write it down, share it, get everyone familar with it.. then figure out how to make it actually not terrible.. seems to be my main flow lol 13:25:02 nsITobin: taht is why my cript (which currently seems to deficient) is posrte here https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-stuff/-/blob/main/scripts/check-tb-rust.sh?ref_type=heads 13:29:56 yeah I added all those patch repos and that repo to the mirror org on BinOC/Code one because gitlab doesn't make discoverability very easy and two when it fetches changes they show up on my dashboard 13:31:51 the real reason is I keep forgetting which is which and where they are 13:34:55 also gogs works in seamonkey where gitlab and heptapod don't atm 13:36:00 https://i.ibb.co/47FkLVq/image.png 13:36:45 it's fast, effiencent, looks decent enough and works across multiple rendering and javascript engines 15:22:17 WG9s: just use chicago time for me ;) 15:22:36 binoc-central timezone 15:22:37 lol 15:23:21 but are you in the US or in Canada? 15:24:06 if you are in teh us i wnder why i got the iea you were in Canada. 15:25:51 but still i was tring to tell frg that I thouhgt one of the reasons you and tomman sometimes conversed so much on the $SeaMonkey channel was because fo timezone sloseness 15:25:57 closeness 15:28:38 nsITobin: us Boston Red Sox and Patriots fans really hate trying to list our timezone as Ney york because of OS peoples stupidity. 16:02:18 I am in the great state of Texas 16:03:47 used to be in Indiana 16:08:49 WG9s: frankly I think timezones and morning night noon and dinner time became .. optional constructs the moment the electric light was in wide use.. so I often ignore concepts like a work day and evening and look at it as just a contiguous effort to progress mah life for the good of most of us. 16:09:27 A lifestream in search of a server lol 16:19:02 my personal concept of "cyberspace" isn't virtual reality but a mindset to see everything as a stream of data over time .. when I fully was in this timezones didn't matter only if i was awake or not to witness the events that unfold 16:24:18 and of course what I could do to help 16:37:25 hey didn't mozilla/extensions used to have some special thingamabob so you could do --enable-extensions=inspector,debugqa or whatever? 16:40:31 nsITobin was removed. Now we have separate enable statements 16:41:01 couldn't we wire comm/suite/extensions to do the same thing? 16:41:09 would save on configure args 16:43:24 I am happy as is. You need to cvonvince IanN_Away :) 16:43:25 ac_add_options --enable-debugqa 16:43:27 ac_add_options --enable-irc 16:43:28 ac_add_options --enable-dominspector 16:43:42 Find the current setup more clear but ymmv 16:44:17 the reason it popped in my head was I was looking at a way of restandardizing building extensions that I or others would fork 16:48:16 well those are more like components still being treated as extensions at this point right? 16:49:03 DOMi especially I see as essentual as devtools is.. slightly more actually. 16:49:31 nsITobin yes DOMi is removed from central debugqa only build in beta and cZ is integrated later. 16:50:07 Calendar is enabled by defaultand I would rather integrate it and cZ too like in central 16:50:33 yeah DOMi especially with shift+rightclick on central would be game changing but unless we can come up with HOW mozilla converted their bindings to xul custom elements at the very least.. devtools just have to suffice 16:51:09 and I still fear the domi at the end won't be any better than devtools even if we could convert it 16:53:40 frg_Away: Do you know how you make a suite on central the cheap way? wait for thunderbird to do it and add a browser to it. 16:54:55 but if you would like better integration of former extensions that is work that is up my skillset 16:59:19 ugh what the even hell is this https://code.binaryoutcast.com/thereisonlyxul/gnomerunner/src/master/build 16:59:38 I mean I know what it is but why did they do it this way 17:06:35 wasn't this removed from mozilla-xxx long ago? 17:13:17 what? 17:15:29 it's this but https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/gnomerunnergtk-revived/ 17:16:05 but i forgot .. gtk3 17:19:37 i do notice something strange 17:20:03 the doorhangers are not responding properly to say installing a theme .. it is assuming all themes are restartless 20:39:31 https://mriguide.com/order/ there should be a form there, instead it's a stupidly short page 20:39:47 oh, but their keyboard event shenanigans to disable hotkeys like F12 work top notch! 20:55:05 tomman: what timezone you in anyway 20:55:17 VET -04:00 20:55:27 16:55 right now here 20:55:46 yeah so we are in a close timezone 20:58:41 do you have daylight stupid time? 20:58:43 there? 21:00:12 ha, no 21:00:34 the closest we've had to DST was when Chavez forced us to a weird -04:30 timezone since 2008 21:00:52 then Maduro abolished that in 2017 or so, returning us to -04:00 21:01:04 (both times motivated to our electricity crisis) 21:04:19 swear to god i will end up embedding mozilla into mozilla to get mozilla to mozilla 21:04:30 it's only a matter.. of.. time... 21:10:27 YO DAWG 21:12:33 tomman: yep exactly 21:16:34 why is my irc under from an IP block registered to Microsoft Corperation? 21:16:56 they REALLY don't want me doing x11.. christ 21:31:12 I'm still puzzled as to how shifting time helps with electricity usage, I'd say what's not used on one end ends up being used on the other end of the day 21:31:25 how does it help the farmers? 21:31:46 and how many kids have been run over by schoolbuses because the timezone lines are geographically sloppy as fuck 21:31:52 in small latitudes it may help people with having daylight outside, but even then a bit of the same thing: it'd make more sense to move some operations around the clock as needed 21:31:53 end daylight stupid time 21:33:18 look, having seen days when it was dark at 2 PM, I don't buy much into the "farmers" or "energy" arguments :-P 21:33:23 I feel strongly about this .. also because as a former indiana resident.. I didn't have DST most of my life and the damn world didn't collapse or my activities restricted anymore than there just being less hours of light overall half the year 21:34:15 now having a wider agreement about what to do is sensible. EU has had a good system in place: not only same dates for the change, it changes *once*, same time for everybody 21:34:50 just cause everyone does it doesn't mean its not still an issue or plain dumb lol 21:34:52 nsITobin: re: embedding mozilla, maybe go with the car/cdr repetition notation, with the number of "ll" determining how deep you're into the recursion 21:34:55 look at the world today lol 21:35:17 mozilllllla for "mozilla into mozilla into mozilla" 21:35:40 mozilla at absolute zero 21:35:57 remote xul is actually secure at absolute zero 21:36:03 prove me wrong 21:36:25 is it secure at v>c too? 21:36:56 no of course not.. XUL can never be faster than the speed of light.. xpcom is too slow 21:36:57 lol 21:39:18 and me here thinking it's because in order to reach said speed, mass would have to reach infinity :-P 21:42:53 no it would collpase in on its self and start spitting out activex widgets 21:43:12 but only on linux 21:47:57 "Come to the speed of light, we've got MS Agent" 21:48:03 # Appears as LINKS 22:03:52 njsg: lol 22:07:18 njsg: this patch is incomplete https://dpaste.org/BaLKB 22:10:20 so this makes it the... i dunno fifth time I have done it since NeilForeverAway removed the option instead of letting me fix it.. I am getting good but I am sure I am forgetting some things