05:46:37 <Sompi> A self-signed certificate should not be treated as it would be worse than plain unencrypted HTTP, like browsers do now
05:47:39 <Sompi> But we still need a uncentralized peer-to-peer-based certificate authority. I see these as two different problems that are both created by those who want to control who gets encryption and who doesn't
05:48:15 <Sompi> Nowadays browsers stupidly treat self-signed sertificates as a "security risk" which it isn't
13:53:23 <nsITobin> So I made a php based openbox pipe menu to control the main menu instead of just editing the xml directly.. uses a standalone-modified couple of functions I developed over the years.. Handy for many things.. including this .. https://dpaste.org/MsKVa
13:58:31 <frg> nsITobin hi
13:58:59 <nsITobin> sup?
14:05:14 <nsITobin> I should modify ArtwizBoxed to use SeaMonkey Modern colors
14:07:22 <nsITobin> I was able to find a few copr repos so i could get lxterminal and nemo on el8
14:08:08 <nsITobin> just need thg workbench and vmware and I can basically switch over
14:22:31 <nsITobin> oh god.. i just realized I could process an rss feed and create menu entries in openbox for it
14:42:48 <tomman> https://usenothing.com/ ironically the idle counter does... nothing (it seems it wants dynamic imports)
14:43:13 <tomman> that's what I get for clicking meta philosophic links on HN
14:44:13 <tomman> (relevant thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41551084 )
14:48:13 <nsITobin> tomman: doing nothing doesn't work for me.. think about me in late 2022 into 2023
15:22:15 <nsITobin> well i got spectrum coming at 1ish pm if there is anything specific you want me to do before that bs starts I'd be happy to
15:22:58 <nsITobin> also quantum-dev is once again searchable.. I think it was a permissions issue
15:28:51 <nsITobin> also IanN_Away there is no way to control glimpse result ordering according to the documentation.. I would have to split and sort the results likely in a new impl in php however it will loose identifer linkification if I do that.. identifier linkification in free-text search results are of limited use imo but that would be the tradeoff for getting ordered results
15:30:56 <nsITobin> other advantages however are that it would lift several mxr-imposed limitations on free-text searching with glimpse and could be swapped out for something not long-abandoned later on
18:39:00 <Sompi> http://vanilla-js.com/
19:08:44 <IanN_Away> nsITobin: thanks for checking
20:27:25 <nsITobin> Sompi: absolutely stunning
20:27:47 <nsITobin> that is the ONLY js framework
20:27:56 <nsITobin> i would ever willingly use
22:41:13 <nsITobin> welp
22:41:17 <nsITobin> screwed by rust
22:41:18 <nsITobin> franstam:
22:41:20 <nsITobin> err
22:41:21 <nsITobin> frg:
22:41:51 <frg> nsITobin can't be. rust is perfect
22:42:03 <nsITobin> this program I used to control my GPU fans is rust gtk app and it has some dep somewhere that relies on a dep that makes glic available.. glibc newer than el8
22:42:46 <nsITobin> the glibc-sys dep is not a direct dep from lact
22:42:55 <frg> well first error is using a rust app for fan control :)
22:43:03 <nsITobin> it is the ONLY one
22:43:05 <nsITobin> tho
22:43:12 <frg> IT is probably in a dependent crate
22:43:44 <frg> Is there a toml file available?
22:44:38 <nsITobin> its a multi-part program so there are a few cargo.toml files
22:44:44 <nsITobin> https://github.com/ilya-zlobintsev/LACT
22:45:31 <nsITobin> but I agree using a rust system util is a mistake
22:46:12 <nsITobin> i didn't actually think it was rust being gtk app but what do I know.. besides you know rust is just a c++ framework
22:46:28 <nsITobin> like PHP is to C
22:49:12 <frg> check the Cargo.lock file. It lists all dependencies.
22:49:23 <frg> There is a package libc referenced name = "libc"
22:49:37 <frg> This might be it but too many to just do a drive by check
22:50:48 <nsITobin> https://github.com/ilya-zlobintsev/LACT/blob/master/Cargo.lock#L1238-L1246
22:51:44 <frg> this is glib not glibc
22:52:37 <nsITobin> yeah sorry ..
22:53:11 <nsITobin> glib2 glibc keep getting those swapped
23:04:25 <frg> The only direct reference to glibc is in pkg/README.md. If you use a binary might have been compiled with a higher level.
23:04:35 <frg> so recompile needed
23:05:08 <nsITobin> yeah I am trying to compile that's the issue
23:12:08 <nsITobin> ../meson.build:1:0: ERROR: Meson version is 0.58.2 but project requires >= 0.60.0
23:12:08 <nsITobin> A full log can be found at /binoc/users/mattatobin/projects/glib-2.78.6/build/meson-logs/meson-log.txt
23:12:12 <nsITobin> i give up
23:20:23 <frg> nsITobin welcome to rust. I am glad that mach vendor rust works in 2.53 now. Too a few dozen backports for this
23:20:48 <frg> windows dll hell is noting against crate hell
23:21:02 <nsITobin> makes python dep hell and composer seem reasonable
23:47:18 <nsITobin> well elrepo ml kernel failed spectacularly even tho its the same version as fedora 39 is running now..