16:31:40 <bluenose> First time here, is this channel alive?
16:43:46 <nsITobin> the answer was yes but not always instantly
16:43:54 <nsITobin> ;)
17:04:18 <frg_Away> hi nsITobin
17:04:39 <nsITobin> greetings frg_Away what's up?
17:05:03 <frg_Away> nsITobin slow go again. Didn't sleep well and up late
17:05:36 <nsITobin> I could use a solid day of sleep but ain't gonna happen my back won't allow it anymore
17:08:00 <nsITobin> frg_Away: btw .. el8 userspace and latest kernel.. the way to go
17:09:44 <nsITobin> I dunno why people don't get most pre-built kernels are built nearly identically with only a few variations between business and consumer targets they have to be to be general pre-built kernels that work on widest possible hardware and software.. any kernel that works .. works its the userspace that defines how well a user will work with that kernel
17:12:38 <nsITobin> frg_Away: tell me you WOULDN'T use a later model nt kernel with windows 7 userspace if you could..
17:15:11 <frg_Away> nsITobin my tinkering days are over. I am good till 2031 with Wndows Server :) If Opensuse switches to alp afer 15.6 I will probably just use Rocky 8 on the backup server. No way I will use the immutable crap.
17:15:46 <nsITobin> ostree is an interesting technology but it isn't a solution for everything
17:15:59 <nsITobin> or even most things
17:17:49 <frg_Away> oh it is still alive. Thought it was dead.
17:17:55 <nsITobin> well I may establish an EL8 yum repo with stuff like the 32bit wine support, picom, later nano and bash .. the lactd backend etc
17:18:07 <nsITobin> frg_Away: Fedora is pushing it hard
17:20:25 <frg_Away> ReactOs seems to not make it in this/my life to a usable state.
17:20:46 <nsITobin> i am very disappointed with reactos
17:21:25 <frg_Away> Was excited once but no longer. They seem to stich with 5.2 and not even put stubs for new stuff in.
17:21:50 <frg_Away> ^stick
17:22:09 <nsITobin> they have support for some nt6 stuff but because it is locked to 5.2 there was nothing one could do about it
17:24:04 <nsITobin> wine seems to be increasingly a better option but i really don't like how its handled beyond running a few simple programs
17:24:49 <nsITobin> the widget drawing needs improved consistant painting needs improved and as does interop with window managers
17:26:24 <nsITobin> the real issue with wine's good enough some of the time position is no one develops on top of wine except in extremely isolated and specific cases.. if windows developers targeted wine as well wine would HAVE to improve
17:31:27 <frg_Away> Native Linux is just too fragmented. The problem with it is with gnome and others which make even Windows 11 look good. I really would like to switch but can't.
17:33:05 <nsITobin> yeah
17:38:55 <nsITobin> frg_Away: https://i.ibb.co/KqQr9cy/image.png
17:39:57 <frg_Away> iTS A DESKTOP :)
17:40:44 <nsITobin> yeah
17:40:53 <nsITobin> a linux desktop
17:42:39 <nsITobin> i like how this version of system monitor still has a menu bar
17:43:25 <nsITobin> I would be fine with this era of gnome UX WITH my own window decorations.. if they had stopped there.. i'd be fine with it.
17:45:36 <nsITobin> hmm.. why is scsi_debug device still enabled in the kernel.. problem for later
17:45:42 <nsITobin> I am doing PHP
17:50:12 <frg_Away>  might be used for sas