11:26:30 <njsg> andr01d: I can't get a sidebar with a later version, but my suggestion of something to try would be to switch the theme
11:26:55 <njsg> if you're by any chance logged in to wikipedia, try setting a different theme. if not logged in try the useskin GET parameter
11:27:09 <njsg> I think the theme I use is monobook, others have also used useskin=monobook
11:27:43 <njsg> se maybe check whether https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_radio_burst?useskin=monobook#FRB_220610 works around the issue
11:28:43 <njsg> ("switch the theme", I mean the mediawiki theme, not the seamonkey theme)
15:10:48 <nsITobin> THIS is why you can never force an aesthetic and style.. https://skins.webamp.org/ You can "mandate" a layout but aesthetics and style are creative expressions both in creating them and in choosing them and stifiling that always makes things worse.
15:32:44 <tomman> counterpoint: https://stopthemingmy.app/
15:33:16 <tomman> creativity is forbidden at Planet GNOME
15:33:25 <tomman> it hurts Brand Image™
15:34:51 <nsITobin> this is the exact reason given why Microsoft went after everyone who did a proper Whistler Watercolor style.. Watercolor .. ironically a loose basis for 8+ design would hurt the XP Luna branded interface
15:39:05 <nsITobin> from a couple of stardock employees I used to be in contact with and long removed but accidently public internal document showing the relationship between not only UIS1 and uxstyle but how microsoft changed it to its current form and that stockdock takes advantage of private apis in uxstyle to do its work rather than the majority of its own engine.
15:41:12 <nsITobin> also my last interaction with the stardock ceo hinted at the reason Windows 8 never got aero glass from stardock despite the fact that stardock has such an engine and used it for XP and in betas had it working again in 8 was because if they allowed Windows 8 users to have aero glass they would yank their access to the private apis and documentation
15:41:40 <nsITobin> of course this was 2012ish so I told the CEO of Stardock to piss off
15:42:01 <nsITobin> man that was a great time when you could just do that and KNEW they read it
15:43:46 <nsITobin> invested in skinning enough to work my way through contacts to the CEO of the company responsible for most of it.. and when he failed to deliver i told him to piss off a great hardly known accomplishment of mine..
15:47:09 <nsITobin> Neoplanet, Winamp, Trillian, WindowBlinds others, and then MOZILLA .. the application platform that can be skinned.. and despite the point I am not sure I am making you are now manually recreating in your head "Neoplanet... Online"
15:47:25 <nsITobin> or llama whipping one or the other