17:16:01 <therube> interesting. never heard of a site (browser ?) throwing a "Secure Connection Failed" message
17:16:03 <therube> when a UA change "fixes" it, https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=31734
17:16:21 <therube> but sure enough, it is so
17:17:59 <therube> & i see we are up to 123, Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20
17:18:08 <therube> s/3/8/
18:12:56 <nsITobin> therube: I could do it with nginx
18:23:18 <therube> Preferences -> Advanced -> HTTP -> Identify as Firefox also works (but who would want to do that!)
18:26:18 <therube> i'll note that at, https://dnschecker.org/user-agent-info.php
18:26:20 <therube> The FF/SeaMonkey setting changes what they call "Browser:"
18:26:22 <therube> With it being "Firefox 128.0" vs. "Mozilla 128" (& without the .0 - should that matter in any way)
18:26:53 <nsITobin> therube: anyone who has been paying attention for the past decade would set their UA pref to cosplay as firefox for webcompat
18:27:13 <nsITobin> this is far from a new and radical concept
18:28:28 <therube> anyone who uses SeaMonkey keeps the dual setting - because we're SeaMonkey ;-)
18:28:52 <nsITobin> One tidbit toward SSUAO is enable and improve the update service for it and do a pref ui for it
18:30:35 <nsITobin> therube: well SM's settings are slightly different from what was all done in UXP not that I always agreed with HOW that was changed..
18:31:18 <therube> actually, the ".0" does seem to be pertinent.
18:31:20 <therube> if i take the FF UA
18:31:22 <therube> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0
18:31:24 <therube> & override it so that Firefox/128.0 becomes Firefox/128, so:
18:31:26 <therube> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128
18:31:27 <therube> then the site again fails
18:31:33 <nsITobin> .9 normally defacto means UXP
18:31:41 <nsITobin> precident is a bitch
18:31:46 <nsITobin> so be careful with point nines
18:31:53 <therube> so maybe that .0 should be there
18:31:56 <nsITobin> some scripting may assume UXP in rare instances
18:32:27 <nsITobin> the same logic that often parses rv also parses client slices
18:32:57 <nsITobin> so it will expect at least one decimal place
18:33:02 <nsITobin> I know my UA logic always did
18:34:36 <nsITobin> therube: why UA sniffing is being used when everything is JS and JS can feature detect
18:35:06 <nsITobin> but as we saw with clownflare even if they use feature detection they will just deny anyway or allow it to break in any event
18:48:26 <therube> video, demo.mp4, does not *display* (at least on my end) in SeaMonkey or FF115, https://github.com/AminBhst/brisk
18:48:51 <therube> but i can use FlashGot in SeaMonkey & download it, where it plays just fine... can i drag & drop... ?
18:49:24 <therube> no.
18:50:16 <nsITobin> therube: WORKSFORME in seamonkey
18:50:23 <nsITobin> but I am on linux
18:50:48 <nsITobin> I HATE how the modern skinned media bar looks
18:50:48 <therube> maybe cause, Format profile: High⊙6   (& i'm on Win7)
18:50:59 <nsITobin> that should be reverted back to the old controls imo
18:51:40 <nsITobin> You are just using the wrong OS
18:52:11 <nsITobin> therube: why are you on Windows 7 and not something else?
18:56:32 <therube> Win7 works, works as I need, does what I want it to do, no more, no less, has a UI/UX that works for me.
18:56:33 <therube> & it's what I have ;-).  my (brief) looks at Win10 have me pulling my hair out how to do simple things that i've done for years & no longer know how to do.
19:06:40 <nsITobin> my lightly NTLite'd LTSC 2019 functionally with a few tidbits is effectively a non-aero windows 7 UI except for crap they moved to PC Settings.
19:06:58 <nsITobin> and a few XP app incompatibilities
19:08:12 <nsITobin> therube: its kinda funny cause when I have to do something that changed oddly in Windows 10 I normally have to default to the absolute oldest method.. command line registry or launching something from memory
19:08:13 <therube> floppies, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/212-million-contract-will-finally-get-san-francisco-trains-off-floppy-disks/
19:08:15 <therube> but you can be sure their DOS based systems can't be hacked, where you can be sure their wizbang 212 mill will be hacked.
19:09:07 <nsITobin> but I contextualize the height of UX to be Windows 3.1/NT3.x and Windows 2000
19:09:11 <nsITobin> for Windows
21:53:57 <tomman> https://devclass.com/2024/10/22/should-javascript-be-split-into-two-languages-new-google-driven-proposal-divides-opinion/ omg, from the School of Bad Ideas at Googletech...
21:54:10 <tomman> > A Google engineer presented a proposal to the official standardization committee that would split JavaScript into two languages, a core to be implemented by runtime engines and a more capable variant which depends on tools that compile it down to that core.
22:07:05 <nsITobin> so what Mozilla is doing with using NPM for modern Firefox
22:43:27 <nsITobin> Standardizing V8 and Frameworks is not exactly a great idea..
22:43:29 <nsITobin> imo
22:43:39 <nsITobin> just ain't