01:53:14 <nsITobin> https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/05/mozilla-foundation-lays-off-30-staff-drops-advocacy-division/?guccounter=1
01:53:24 <nsITobin> i didn't know about that
12:06:51 <njsg> shortens to "adv", they probably want to avoid any ambiguity in being an advertising company?
12:07:05 * njsg notices his sarcasm dial is a bit too high and thinks about procuring more coffee
13:17:14 <nsITobin> I am kinda disappointed that Marc Andreessen is actually a piece of shit
13:22:20 <nsITobin> oh and he basically prototyped software as a service selling it to HP..
13:23:49 <nsITobin> and sold skype to microsoft
13:23:55 <nsITobin> wow this guy
13:27:13 <nsITobin> yeah so Marc Andreessen is a major thread in how we got from there to here I never realized that i figured he faded away once he sold netscape
13:27:49 <nsITobin> cause his name isn't one that persisted in early mozilla
13:32:43 <njsg> I only know a bit of what he's been up to from what jwz reports
13:37:51 <njsg> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/06/i-liked-it-better-when-he-had-me-blocked/
13:40:59 <nsITobin> njsg: read his wackypedia article
13:41:08 <nsITobin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen
13:48:42 <nsITobin> njsg: tell me honestly the world wouldn't be on balance better off if 90% of these companies had failed or stayed small and competitive https://a16z.com/portfolio/
13:52:19 <tomman> https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/27/microsoft_word_excel_ai/ everything you say these days will be used to train an AI model
13:52:38 <tomman> you have the right to not complain
13:54:02 <njsg> and the right to autosave, but apparently *where* it is autosaved is not something very clear
13:54:17 <Harzilein> i probably won't rtfa
13:55:27 <tomman> > "There are circumstances where enterprise customers may want or consent to our use of their data for foundation model training, such as custom model development requested by the customer."
13:56:00 <tomman> suuu~re
13:57:07 <tomman> I can now imagine the CEO and the CTO of Widgetcorp saying "We're now an A.I. Corporation - your work contracts have been amended unilaterally to allow us to milk your ideas into a business model"
14:01:59 <tomman> ugh, awesome, I now have to think on switching hosting providers
14:02:20 <tomman> my current hosting (whose support / payment portal does NOT work on SM) is now throwing me double captcha hell
14:02:30 <tomman> first Clownflare's Browser Integrity junk
14:02:34 <tomman> and on top of that, Recaptcha
14:02:37 <tomman> UUUGH
14:42:06 <tomman> it feels great to hardblock 3rd-party autoplaying video crap on your DNS~
15:02:55 <njsg> I can't wait for Microsoft to require that in their login form
15:03:41 <njsg> I mean, they currently already depend on CSS transitions, so the CSS hack I have to disable these makes it not work...
15:29:01 <tomman> MS ripping off Clownflare? You don't say~
15:29:26 <tomman> I'm kinda surprised MS doesn't have its own captcha solution by now
15:29:33 <tomman> hell, they even seem to be generally anti-captcha
15:29:52 <tomman> I've never gotten one on any of their products/services, not that I'm a heavy MS user here...
15:30:05 <tomman> they do like lockouts and disabled accounts, tho
15:41:03 <nsITobin> microsoft
15:41:40 <nsITobin> well microsoft isn't in to creating things anymore
15:42:11 <nsITobin> why should they .. they created the modern world (in an arguably better form) 25 years ago only change is it isn't xml based
15:45:30 <nsITobin> and everyone else is on the hook for it cause microsoft is just using 3rd party code more and more
15:46:23 <nsITobin> i cast micrsoft's doom the moment they installed wordpress rather than use one of their asp(x) systems
15:46:55 <nsITobin> why does a global billion dollar tech company use wordpress?
15:48:02 <tomman> because they're not a global trillion dollar tech company yet
15:48:50 <Ximo-> why shouldn't they?
15:53:35 <nsITobin> wordpress is and always has been trash AND microsoft has its own technology
16:26:04 <Ximo-> interesting opinion
17:30:36 <nsITobin> Ximo-: you a fan of wordpress?
17:39:43 <Ximo-> i don't use it.  but if wordpress is so "trash" why do they dominate the CMS space?  seems like a ripe + ready opportunity to make something not trash and kill their game
17:41:05 <nsITobin> Ximo-: This is Tobin you are talking to I know better than everyone that the superior option vs the popular option the popular option wins almost always
17:41:37 <Ximo-> business is about being popular
17:41:43 <Ximo-> wordpress is a business
17:41:47 <Ximo-> you get it?
17:42:01 <nsITobin> absolutely i just don't agree with it ;)
17:42:21 <nsITobin> Wordpress shouldn't be a business.
17:43:48 <nsITobin> i dunno something seems wrong about open source software as a business in and of its self as I compile more free software for my self as I see fit LOL
17:44:13 <nsITobin> now a business to otherwise support an open source project that's a different issue but requires careful navigation
17:44:29 <nsITobin> redhat used to have a good balance for instance
22:52:59 <njsg> Ximo-: nsITobin: Wordpress is a bunch of things and there has been somewhat of a little storm recently because of how many of these things are a guy called Matt
23:00:17 <njsg> https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io
23:00:31 <njsg> question is how much is this going to affect wordpress the CMS software
23:01:10 <njsg> some person who used to work at Netscape was indeed asking pretty much that about a recent WordPress update on Mastodon
23:02:55 <njsg> of the things I did see, it seems he added a checkbox targeting WP Engine, and then pretty much said the state of it didn't matter, I wonder if it can then still have any legal value at all