libera #seamonkey

30 Nov 2024

Surfing the net has never been so suite | SeaMonkey Release:2.53.19 Beta:2.53.20b1| seamonkey-project.org/releases | This channel is logged at logbot.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey | SeaMonkey Nightly:2.53.21b1pre Archive archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly | c-c (OPEN ) , c-253 (APPROVAL ONLY)

• 02:45
  Sompi
  many javascript libraries that used to work with SeaMonkey have stopped working when a new version of the library has been released
• 02:46
  Sompi
  no new features, just rewrites that break things
• 02:46
  Sompi
  and of course they also make everything more bloated with each new version
• 02:47
  Sompi
  now even Iltalehti does not work with Seamonkey anymore... the articles don't load, it just shows a loading animation and throws the console full of errors
• 02:54
  tomman
  Modern JavaScript development should be considered a war crime as per the Vienna Convention
• 03:06
  Sompi
  about two years ago that site worked with lynx
• 03:07
  Sompi
  tomman: the problem is incompetence, many web developers today are genuinely unaware about the fact that every element has a static HTML tag that can be used instead of JavaScript
• 03:07
  Sompi
  and they probably don't even know about other browsers than Chrome, Edge and maybe Firefox
• 03:08
  Sompi
  They work in the IT field without actually knowing anything about computers. They understand some basic programming logic but that's about all
• 03:08
  tomman
  hope that when Google gets forced to divest Chrome, a 10-year moratorium is placed on JS feature dev
• 03:08
  tomman
  no new features allowed, only bugfixes and removal of useless "standards"
• 03:09
  Sompi
  And they don't believe when someone tries to educate them about these things, they just become angry
• 03:09
  tomman
  ha, the "move fast and break everything" SV mindset
• 03:12
  Sompi
  they just keep insisting that no, everything MUST be made with JavaScript, there is no other way and static HTML tags are old and deprecated and not supported by browsers and server softwares anymore
• 03:13
  Sompi
  no amount of evidence will change their minds
• 10:34
  njsg
  maybe allow Google to maintain the current version of chrome, but without adding features, say, for 10 years
• 10:34
  njsg
  so that we get a new IE6
• 10:34
  njsg
  and yeah, I can see IL now is unusable
• 10:34
  njsg
  IS still loads fine :-P
• 10:36
  njsg
  I made the mistake of opening view source
• 10:36
  njsg
  ow.
• 10:41
  » njsg bangs head against desk
• 10:41
  njsg
  Sompi: looking through the source... please don't tell me they're serving the article as JSON-in-document, and failing.
• 10:42
  njsg
  search for <<"items":[{"text":"Mika Salminen">>
• 10:46
  njsg
  ... damn, that was from a random link I clicked, not something you shared
• 10:46
  njsg
  I mean at iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/0cce0476-b6e6-4c02-b36f-c74bcd4855db
• 12:47
  Sompi
  why so many websites always adopt the same new chromeisms at the same time
• 13:07
  Sompi
  Now when Seamonkey has also became useless with news websites, we need that old charset menu back: youtube.com/watch?v=vUdrVRsn5L8
• 13:08
  Sompi
  I often browse demoscene and programming related websites that have a lot of old text files and Firefox and Chrome cannot show them correctly
• 13:08
  Sompi
  Seamonkey can but sometimes the correct character set is not on the new menu
• 13:09
  Sompi
  code page 850 is missing
• 13:15
  Harzilein
  interesting you mention demoscene
• 18:41
  njsg
  demoscene, "we got you covered up, be it running BASIC code in an emulator, on the real hardware, running current-day code for graphical demos on linux or repurposing old Metro platform displays!"
• 18:46
  nsITobin
  njsg: i believe gentoo ricers are an offshoot of the demoscene
• 18:47
  nsITobin
  along with the beta archivists
• 18:50
  Harzilein
  :)
• 18:51
  Harzilein
  nsITobin: i think those would like being painted in that light, can't speak to historicity.
• 19:11
  njsg
  now do define gentoo ricers :-P
• 19:12
  nsITobin
  njsg: shlomifish.org/humour/by-others/funroll-loops/Gentoo-is-Rice.html
• 19:17
  tomman
  Gentoo Ricers scare the hell out of Javascript Bros from the Applestan Union
• 19:17
  nsITobin
  i don't need gentoo use flags i can build from scratch ..
• 23:55
  njsg
  ah yes you're on LFS?