00:10:59 njsg: pronounced bot-ee or bot-eye 00:11:00 ? 00:12:06 not sure how to translate to english pronunciation indications 00:14:31 I mean, it's bot-i, so bot-ee? 00:22:24 njsg: heh 00:24:13 nsITobin: /. even multiplied. when they tried to accelerate the ui stuff too fast to ensure ad placements work, soylentnews split off as a nonprofit operation. 02:41:23 ah, the #FuckBeta fiasco 02:42:08 furthermore, that's when I learned that the /. crowd really took it badly when the new management of that era (Dice?) referred to them as "the audience" 02:42:27 since then, Slashdot has been going in freefall 02:42:39 that, the ads, and the JavaScript disease didn't helped 02:43:18 And of course the trolls... the problem had become so badly that they ended temporarily disabling Anonymous Cowards and forcing everybody to register before posting 02:43:36 which kinda killed the Slashdot spirit, but brought a few weeks of much needed sanity 02:44:13 ...until trolls figured out that registering in was a necessary evil for their "cause" 02:44:45 I dropped the site in 2020 as the signal to noise ratio had become unbearable again, and jumped ship to HN 02:45:06 ...but HN has become more and more the same crap, just with SV dudebros and JS/Rust fanboys 10:57:44 if I may add something to the comments about js-backed custom UI elements: these sometimes aren't tested to handle lack of visibility, say, a drop-down box that's obscured because it grows below the visible area, while platform UI elements would probably handle this better 20:13:27 When the final cockroach breathes her last breath, her dying act will be to scratch her date of death in a CSV file for posterity. 20:13:29 https://github.com/secretGeek/AwesomeCSV 20:18:02 Honestly the last *big* improvement wasn't in Javascript, it was in CSS: inline-block support. 20:20:00 The old web technology that I desperately want to reintroduce, is Click here to open the thing you need to print. 20:20:36 I am *so* tired of helping users navigate Javascript-based in-page PDF viewers that don't interact correctly with printing. 20:21:27 And both of the users who don't have any software installed that can open PDFs, don't have it on purpose for ideological reasons. 20:21:34 ha, 99% of them are hacked up forks of pdf.js 20:21:50 eh, I do not want external PDF readers if I can avoid them :P 20:21:58 Adobe touched me in a no-no place~ 20:22:16 but yeah, site-specific PDF readers are dumb 20:22:23 and a waste of bandwidth and resources 20:22:43 my web browser already has a perfectly fine PDF reader, thanks, just serve me the stupid PDF and let's go on with life~ 20:23:07 I'm not surprised a lot of them are forks of one original thing. They tend to all have certain things in common. 20:23:33 a fork of which was originally a Mozilla product 20:23:49 From the website's perspective, I don't see why it should matter whether the software the user has that opens PDFs, is the web browser or a third-party helper app or what. 20:24:07 Everybody's got *something* that can do it. 20:25:02 Heck, using pdf2ps and then sending the thing to a PostScript printer, is probably more common than downloading a PDF and then having no way to open it. 20:25:04 Agreed 20:25:06 maybe not everybody, but not forcing people to handle it in a specific way would be great 20:25:08 let the user be in control 20:25:14 ^ 20:25:34 Most users will just use whatever came pre-installed, but that's their problem. And it does still work. 20:25:39 a longer trend has been to hide the direct links and default to indirect in-browser or in-page viewing 20:25:44 pastebins, download sites... 20:26:03 at least dropbox allows changing the hostname to dl.[...] to download 20:26:14 that even survived the end of "public folders" 20:26:52 a extreme case is when websites abuse their own custom PDF readers as makeshift DRM 20:27:10 Eww. I think that is less common. Fortunately. 20:27:29 for example: utm_source=bnn&utm_medium=main-nav 20:27:36 https://www.greysheet.com/publications/the-banknote-book-world-paper-money 20:27:43 they used to sell PDFs, but not anymore 20:27:57 instead they claim you can only use their online viewer to read the files you've paid for 20:28:05 internally they're still PDFs 20:28:15 Also, the user ultimately *can* print anything that can be displayed, even if they only way they know how to do it involves their phone's Photos app. 20:28:31 with some clever hax (i.e. lrn2devtools), you can download the PDFs you're not entitled to have despite paying a hefty subscription for that 22:19:50 the guardian picture thing *is* a button too, a trend I had seen somewhere else (was it at Yle?) 22:20:19 but in that case I think it wasn't a sibling (but maybe I'm misremembering) 22:23:55 andr01d: from a quick test, it might be worth testing adding '@-moz-document url-prefix("https://www.theguardian.com/") { .open-lightbox{display: none !important;}}' to userContent.css 22:24:59 what I don't know is whether that gets rid of something else that's actually useful, but it does hide the and