15:28:17 <nsITobin> Good morning #SeaMonkey
15:33:56 <frg_Away> nsITobin hi
15:44:20 <nsITobin> what's new
15:45:37 <frg_Away> 2.53.20b1 done.
15:45:48 <nsITobin> yay, what
15:46:01 <nsITobin> what's new in 2.53.20b1?
15:46:04 <nsITobin> lol
15:47:09 <frg_Away> Not much for webcompat. Basically the current 2.53.21b1 pre. Just needed fixes and more groudwork. Till I finish wip still frustarting with ne site.
15:47:39 <nsITobin> you mentioned you were gonna hard commit a lot into the hg repo from the queue
15:47:44 <frg_Away> Linux system requirements are picked up from Rocky 8 so not sure if IanN_Away wants to redo it on Cent OS 7
15:48:04 <frg_Away> nsITobin done about 1100 patch less in the queue.
15:48:12 <frg_Away> ^patches
15:49:37 <nsITobin> uhh
15:49:38 <nsITobin> https://hg.mozilla.org/
15:49:42 <nsITobin> that doesn't look right
15:50:21 <nsITobin> where's the REST of it?!
15:51:34 <nsITobin> WEBTOOLS IS GONE
15:51:44 <nsITobin> the sync server
15:51:48 <nsITobin> mxr
15:52:05 <nsITobin> the WEAVE sync server
15:52:14 <nsITobin> and keyserver
15:52:16 <frg_Away> https://hg.mozilla.org/releases
15:52:37 <nsITobin> all the side repos are gona
15:52:56 <frg_Away> and the other stuff probably gone or not exposed here.
15:53:18 <nsITobin> ldap
15:53:23 <nsITobin> dom inspector
15:53:34 <nsITobin> venkman
15:53:57 <nsITobin> ... and I don't HAVE the bundles
15:55:11 <nsITobin> it's not on their github org
15:57:25 <frg_Away> domi history is in our repo
15:58:37 <nsITobin> i don't think my hg repo contains said history.. I DO have a VERSION of the MXR repo with history but its archived away somewhere and also accidently has a now non-important credental accidently commited to it.. so i guess least I have that if I can find it..
15:58:47 <nsITobin> my git repo*
16:00:10 <nsITobin> well on my closed down gogs instance thereisonlyxul has been duitfully syncing commits and producing an activity log ;)
16:01:13 <nsITobin> nope my git repo for inspector does not have hg history
16:03:23 <nsITobin> https://i.ibb.co/18v2F8B/image.png
16:03:27 <nsITobin> least I have this
16:06:39 <nsITobin> MCP had the weave-keyserver but neither of us have the python weave server impl just the PHP one.
16:07:23 <nsITobin> we've also lost the htmlparser hg repo
16:07:35 <nsITobin> so have to do it by bug instead of by need
16:10:38 <nsITobin> checked the FORMER BinOC RPMO org at https://repo.palemoon.org/robinson-crusoe most of my old repos are hidden away and a few of those should have been removed or made private by a former hostile agreement.. there is a lot more on RPMO that was archived from Mozilla because it was me who did it but none of it is exposed anymore and i doubt THEY are disposed to let any project let alone me have any advantage.
16:13:22 <nsITobin> though the large GRAVEYARD was on github
16:13:24 <nsITobin> gone now
16:25:35 <nsITobin> i mean its not THAT critically important on any kind of regular basis but there have been times when the answer was deep in some irrelevant looking change from years ago..
16:25:59 <nsITobin> also i have to admit fault for NOT anticipating they would gut HG before shutting it down.
16:26:29 <nsITobin> i figured announce shutdown grab shit and go.. but no its an active PROGRESSIVE process so yeah miscalculation..
16:27:26 <nsITobin> least atbn isn't updated yet.. still a chance to scrape
16:27:47 <nsITobin> should be much simpler than the 19 thousand i had to manage last time
16:53:12 <Sompi> aeromotors.fi seems to also be using Cloudflare and its ddos prevention system doesn't let SeaMonkey through
17:30:47 <nsITobin> Sompi: does it let Pale Moon through?
17:31:29 <nsITobin> i mean all they have to do to really shut seamonkey down is target the more obscure parts of customelements
17:31:39 <nsITobin> as the barrior for access
17:40:19 <Sompi> seamonkey doesn't show errors in console
17:40:27 <Sompi> almost every website seems to have that DDOS prevention now
17:41:20 <nsITobin> Cloudflare, blocking and co-oping independant Mozilla development since 2016.
17:41:59 <nsITobin> 2015 for me cause trying to code a PHP system to do what no one outside Mozilla has done behind a caching proxy was HELL
17:43:36 <nsITobin> it's even harder to test if sql is vulnerable to injection when 800 preset firewall rules prevent it
17:43:54 <nsITobin> but of course those 800 rules wouldn't stop a CRAFTED attack
18:36:55 <Sompi> https://www.trodo.fi/oljypumppu-febi-bilstein-01733?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=PMAX_All_products&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA9vS6BhA9EiwAJpnXw0KAnWykRfsxUMAvz-zxjYoUkkp1w474PD5FgkudHQi5rETouIARExoCgEsQAvD_BwE
18:37:07 <Sompi> it gives an IP-level ban after trying to access the page with SeaMonkey
18:37:12 <Sompi> and that's also clownflare
18:37:54 <nsITobin> yes
20:11:02 <Sompi> that means that it is ridiculously easy to get an IP-level ban for several CGNAT IP addresses in a very short time
20:14:59 <Sompi> seems that firefox actually also triggers that IP ban
20:27:14 <nsITobin> I've been searching my archives .. it has depressed me quite a bit
20:27:28 <nsITobin> Sompi: firefox the firefox or xulfox
20:29:06 <Sompi> 22:28 < Lumpio-> "X11; Linux" on kielletty osa User-agentia
20:29:21 <Sompi> so apparently clownflare now gives an IP-level ban to everyone who has "X11; Linux" in their user-agent string
20:29:37 <nsITobin> Sompi: well THAT'S the UA of a thoughtcriminal.. linux.. and x11 on top of that
20:29:49 <nsITobin> OH MY GOD
20:29:54 <Sompi> add a whitespace (for example "X11 ; Linux") and it starts working correctly
20:29:55 <nsITobin> what conspiracy shit have i stepped into now
20:30:02 <nsITobin> i was banned for being anti-wayland
20:30:07 <nsITobin> by waylandists and kudo
20:30:33 <nsITobin> i guess we have to FAKE wayland now
20:31:00 <nsITobin> denying the internet to X11 users
20:31:03 <nsITobin> that's just...
20:31:09 <nsITobin> very specific
20:31:31 <nsITobin> what does X11 have to do with the web
20:31:34 <nsITobin> ... oh right
20:31:51 <nsITobin> compositing and DE-level hosting of a web engine
20:33:09 <nsITobin> you know.. i just get to feeling like MAYBE THERE ISN'T A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST X11 and WAYLAND is only going because most human's simply can't deal with more than one thing.. but then we have this global assult on said users.
20:33:35 <nsITobin> it didn't require this for that..
20:34:35 <nsITobin> and then I stop bying oh you're just a crazy fuck.. yeah AND there is a an OFFENSIVE push on the GLOBAL INTERNET since the web is pretty much all the internet is now to EXCLUDE x11 users.
20:34:40 <Sompi> Wayland, Rust, UEFI, Secure Boot, mobile apps etc, it's always the same people coercing everyone else into using those
20:34:59 <Sompi> nsITobin: Wayland isn't even a thing in other POSIX compatibles. Only Linux.
20:35:01 <nsITobin> it is insane to discount the logic of me being somewhat crazed and ALSO being right.
20:35:43 <nsITobin> well it also took my friend away
20:35:48 <nsITobin> as well
20:36:16 <nsITobin> honestly the whole thing has cost many friends but many of them were terrible people giving me bad advice cause I am starved for it.
21:02:43 <nsITobin> I may have a FORM of MDN from 2014ish but i dunno how useable it is.. i do have the archived mdn content removed in the great xul purge
21:07:15 <Sompi> it's incredible how many people openly discriminate against everyone who doesn't use proprietary communication things like discord, snapchat, whatsapp and so on
21:07:35 <Sompi> and isolate them from other people
21:07:44 <Sompi> it's a dick move
21:08:18 <Sompi> and also weird when people who are supposed to be "adults" do so
21:09:27 <Sompi> it's so similar to the bullying that was done in primary school
21:09:54 <Sompi> but suddenly it is normal that 30 year olds behave like that too
21:12:42 <nsITobin> Sompi: know how hard it is to recreate part of a song from like 6 year old screenshots of FL studio and all i have with an identifable pie-anna roll is the second variation of the lead and the entire bass line.. the first loop of the lead instrament has a bit more florish than the second loop i have..
21:12:51 <nsITobin> and I don't understand music theory
21:14:38 <nsITobin> but BinOC needs an updated theme song cause somehow that got established as a thing Binary Outcast has as a leftover from when I didn't do videos.
21:20:53 <nsITobin> Sompi: https://i.ibb.co/55qqxj0/image.png
21:24:46 <Sompi> I understand those notes but it sounds boring in my head
21:26:29 <nsITobin> well its like I ALMOST understand but I am missing a piece of the puzzle..
21:26:50 <nsITobin> I mean I was able to sequence this out in 2015-2017 cause I stopped half way
21:27:08 <nsITobin> 2016..
21:27:21 <nsITobin> i dislike 2016 for many reasons more today than I did at the time
21:29:49 <nsITobin> if I had to I suppose I could TRY and load up old flstudio and export the notes to midi then start a new version based on that but I fear I will make similar decisions then.. The BinOC Theme has had three versions the first two in 2010 and a revision in 2011 by the composer of the song.. my version retained sound effects the lead and the bass line and changed everything else.. Sounds like me.
22:43:46 <Sompi> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1347179#answer-1435187
22:43:59 <Sompi> Seems that ClownFlare also considers "X11; Ubuntu; Linux" bad...
22:45:41 <Sompi> Google search "cloudflare bans x11 linux" gives me more results
22:56:11 <tomman> Over here the same weird deal with Clownflare Turnstile craptchas continue
22:56:22 <tomman> they will not render at all unless I threaten them with the Inspector
22:56:29 <tomman> then they usually work at the first try
22:57:36 <tomman> (just tested with one at SteamDB, where it's easy to spot the white box where the checkbox should render on a blue background page)
22:58:05 <Sompi> yeah, and there is no errors in the console and SeaMonkey seems to support everything just fine
22:58:05 <tomman> dunno what the hell the inspector triggers, but it has been reliably working that way for months now
22:58:14 <tomman> yup
22:58:28 <Sompi> Many web pages nowadays work differently if the browser console is opened, or completely stop working at all
22:59:06 <tomman> Oh, I recently found a particularly evil case
22:59:11 <Sompi> It's probably some JavaScript library that does that... I wonder how hard it must be to use those libraries for anything because it will be practically impossible to debug
22:59:24 <tomman> some filelocker service (Terabox?) that KILLS the page if you ever DARE firing up the devtools
22:59:39 <tomman> KILLS as in it destroys the DOM and redirects to about:blank
22:59:48 <tomman> doesn't even give you a chance to pause scripts or whatever
23:00:30 <tomman> (this is a site with particularly aggressive scripts for ads and video autoplay, and that requires extracting cookies surgically if you want to download the files with tools other than a web browser)
23:01:51 <Sompi> with that "verify you are human" captcha CloudFlare probably relies to some undefined behaviour in Firefox (as I have written before)
23:02:03 <tomman> for comparison: Mega will just redirect you to "why not Chrome dude?" error pages, and Mediafire will work fine (aside of the ads); both sites work fine on 3rd party downloaders like JDownloader
23:02:11 <Sompi> it just happens to work differently in SeaMonkey. Probably not exactly a wrong behaviour, but different
23:02:53 <tomman> "are you a human?" And there is where I send a letter to the Clownflare CEO with a hair lock from my nether regions :P