14:42:57 WELL.. 14:45:18 figured out why none of my php software could actually determine a domain and ip address.. seems JIT stuff made it so certain superglobals are lazy populated on request and that's all fine UNLESS you want to use $GLOBALS['_SERVER'] because my superglobals function handles all of em so i specify by key name not $_SERVER directly 14:46:36 luckily my fallbacks for localhost cause my php stuff is accessible via cli as well made it so it didn't die horribly 17:42:49 should we file a bug on bugzilla that bugzilla is bugged in SeaMonkey ;-) 17:42:51 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/home 17:43:22 therube: what's your official status? 17:43:55 my "official status" in what way? i'm just me. 17:43:59 mine is Pending Reason to Ban infra wide 17:44:21 but I think you should, it's a legit bug. 17:44:34 what are they gonna do? tell you no lol 17:45:48 oh that status, heh. i'm still good - *if* i can remember my password - which i always knew, until they made you change it, so i went with some long derogatory PW that i have to look up, if i can find it. 17:46:27 therube: here use this for passwords http://preview.binaryoutcast.com/special/hex/ 17:47:15 http://preview.binaryoutcast.com/special/hex/?length=1 17:47:56 well any less than 4 is useless 17:48:16 still something I whipped up for when .. some xul app will remember my password for me 18:54:02 thg is crashing for some reason... 18:54:05 also 19:44:20 why every mozilla-related site nowadays uses all chromeisms possible so that it doesn't work on other Mozilla browsers than Firefox? 19:45:20 Are they intentionally sabotaging the development of Seamonkey? 20:03:12 Sompi: they been intentionally sabotaging the development of SeaMonkey since a few people decided yeah.. the Mozilla suite, that's gonna continue. 20:03:17 prove me wrong 20:04:01 you don't even have to just look up what WG9s has related or even older logs from the old days 20:04:21 Also, Mozilla's software should be open source, so why are they forcing their users to run nonfree JavaScript code in their browsers to browse Mozilla's websites? 20:04:41 Should be free and open source 20:04:58 why is literally everyone shutting down their infra and moving to github and NOTHING ELSE.. 20:05:28 and why is everyone else who runs their own stuff being attacked 20:05:47 including my self and those moonpeople 20:06:28 github itself is an attack against free software 20:06:41 in my view .. the web is gonna get a lot more fucked as soon as http/3 traffic outweighs actual hypertext transport protocol 20:07:08 it bans developers who live, or have citizenship in sanctioned countries, and feeds the source code of the projects to Microsoft's AI as a training material 20:07:20 it bans people for being anti-wayland 20:07:32 github too? 20:07:50 i am banned .. shadowbanned from github forever for speaking out against wayland.. 20:08:19 a former friend and associate had his waylandists dogpile me but NO ONE ELSE in that long running multi-year gist was targeted or affected 20:09:46 yeah you can loose your account for stuff in gist 20:10:11 also means node is out if i actually cared, most projects are gatekept away, all standards bodies, etc 20:10:31 all this for lil ol me 20:10:34 I am shadowbanned from every Microsoft-hosted platform, even the services that our school uses 20:10:51 I continuously have weird problems that most other students don't have 20:12:14 I'm relatively sure that Microsoft does that on purpose, but speaking about this is not socially acceptable 20:12:48 It's possible to even get forcibly sent into a mental hospital after speaking about these things 20:14:34 that's crazy 20:15:53 well i learned that git merge commits make the history un-mq-able 20:16:25 but.. one could export the patches in hg form and attempt to rebuild history 20:16:42 nsITobin: but cloudflare sometimes bans users who have "X11; Linux" in their user-agent string - but replace X11 with Wayland and it's suddenly all ok 20:17:00 wat, Wayland is now a UA token!? 20:17:01 WHY 20:17:10 I thought that github does the same 20:17:12 the display server has always been 20:17:23 it COULD be important 20:17:44 why it's of interest to the website which graphical server I use to run my web browser!? 20:17:47 now its likely an indicator if your system is digital rights fucked despite free software 20:17:54 this is all about DRM 20:18:15 Wayland doesn't do _that_ kind of DRM, yo :P 20:18:38 it facilitates it 20:18:49 also, any corporation that dares enforcing the use of DRM on my devices is a corporation that will never get my business 20:18:56 i know what you are talking about lol 20:18:59 there are very good reasons I'll never pay for Netflix, and dRM is one :) 20:19:02 i didn't feel it needed specified 20:20:00 in other news, who's more broken, balls-deep into JavaScript dog vomit: GitHub or GitLab? 20:20:07 GitHub at least usually renders things 20:20:23 GitLab is total and completely unusable if your browser doesn't run their Chromeisms 20:20:55 let's just go back to SeaMonkey 1.1 and just.. do it over again 20:21:05 this web isn't working out 20:21:59 Windows Me wasn't a bad OS, it just took me 20 years to tame it :) 20:22:37 Windows ME was a bad OS because it was a slapped together 98 third edition with some of the more portable NT shit 20:22:58 Windows Me ALSO resulted in Windows XP RATHER than FUCKING NEPTUNE 20:23:11 .. i still have STRONG opinions on those things 20:26:12 tomman: when I get around to designing a desktop environment for linux I think I am gonna lean more into Windows 3.1 evolution with some OS/2 pre-95 inspiration 20:26:55 Windows Explorer really kinda overwrote everything with that desktop taskbar start menu crap 20:26:56 Ironically cellphone launchers are glorified extreme implementations of Program Manager 20:27:16 Yes they are 20:27:23 but not as good 20:46:29 Having all open applications in the "desktop" instead of the "desktop" being a directory didn't make much sense back then when Windows 3 was a thing, because computers didn't have enough memory to run many programs at the same time. Now it does, but somehow almost every desktop environment has adopted that "taskbar" concept from Windows 95... 20:47:09 WELL i am not advocating for minimising to the desktop 20:48:59 the "desktop" could be a unix-like pseudodirectory that has the listing of currently running processes 20:49:20 they would be unreadable and unwritable, but file listing would show them 20:50:14 well you want how many chrome processes on your desktop LOL 20:50:50 but the desktop as the gateway into things .. taskbar aside, windows 95 really failed to take their pre-internet explorer desktop heirarchy very far 20:50:59 everything was spun out to seperate programs 20:52:08 the desktop of windows 3 only makes sense if you have _a lot_ of memory to run _a lot_ of programs at the same time 20:52:37 well in openbox i use a windowlist 20:52:58 because I am multimonitor i don't do desktop icons 20:53:01 of any kind 21:16:46 switched to the mercurial-scm.org rpm version fixed everything 21:27:32 Jitsi still doesn't work on Firefox. It fills the console with "uncaught promise" errors 21:29:26 it used to work on every browser, also on SeaMonkey 21:29:29 but then it suddenly changed 21:35:47 fwiw xfce still supports cde style icons. 21:38:05 one thing i hoped would fall out of the "let's be like macos" efforts desktops or their downstreams did was to bring back "fun extras" in the system menu. but then of course everything went to burger menus instead. sometimes things that didn't need a button bar at all got one so the burger menu could go there.