no-ip.com hostname renewal page has that identical "I'm not a robot" captcha than Clownflare's DDOS prevention page, and the no-ip page works normally on SeaMonkey

And no errors in the console, so it really doesn't seem to be a JavaScript issue

Clownflare servers just automatically think that SeaMonkey is a DDOS bot and don't serve that captcha thing

don't worry, we're now in 2025, Clownflare will just block out the non-Chromed web

and of course HTTP/3 will be mandatory

The new year has lasted only 7 hours and my internet connection already had its first outage

I miss the times when we had a landline network and a xDSL connection that just worked, no outages, practically 100% uptime, and the IP address didn't change all the time

Now those short outages are the new normal, and the ISPs don't even make an announcement about them

We have those every day

So far the uptime of the internet connection in 2025 is 93,333 %

The old xDSL connection easily had nine fives

five nines, I mean

And it went easily months without an outage

happy new year everyone

happy new year frg_Away

btw frg_Away hggit seems to work tho the one big issue is git 3 way merges cannot be then taken from draft to mq .. so basically you are committed to the history of a git repo with merges. Also tags can expose forgotten history as canonical history in the conversion.. suffice it to say it works but has some drawbacks

I would guess unless you are doing some sort of crafted conversion its main use will be invaluable as an intermediary stage to better convert git history to patches by export and import to mq .. I been exploring THAT as well.

nsITobin if just a few patches I usually use Tortoise Git to export them. So far no need to do a git to hg conversion thankfully.

what about when mozilla kills hg?

early last year the git team at mozilla swore up and down they would not base their infra on gitHUB .. why do I think they are gonna either go str8 github or only run their own thing for a token amount of time before switching to github like everyone else?

can always get single patches. or a few of them via tortoise git or web interface. We will see. Only central is interesting.

if they run a gitlab or gogs-based forge it will be attacked like everyone's is these past few months.. if they stick to just phabricator i see them still getting rid of it cause phabricator is long out of mainstream corperate service

they are winding down own infra to save on costs. releng people then next.

at the end it might all crash and burn.

that tagline

they are defeated

Mozilla - This technology could fall into the right hands. - With a green surrender flag

still good pepole around but management...

they surrendered to money.. and this technology is mine.. also all of yours too. ;)

everyone's

which was MY point in 2014

also JZW's point in 1998

frg_Away: I suspect you are correct

i have to remember above all else if top mozilla devs acted as they should have they'd have been fired years ago so no reason to .. completely.. slam em lol

the thing that sucks is there IS a mozilla management that would direct this

that wasn't supposed to happen

anyway there is hardly a Mozilla infra decision I can't reverse or create a replacement for.. I am STICKING with that claim forever!

save buildbots.. can't do crap for buildbots

Anyway someone needs to pay the bill and its not the users. Dumbing down Fx and all the changes alienated people like us and normal users don't care in 99.9% of the cases. They should maybe give it to the libre foundation. They seem to be the only big player on the ball left.

Users only got it for a decade before even understanding what they had it was partly diminished .. it to most is not worth keeping if it means their facebook or youtube breaks.

the basic narrative for over a decade now has been customization and extensibility are the prime reasons for bloat and confusing complexity

and security issues

that complete design and readable fonts use too much cpu resources including power.. transparency effects are ruining the planet and shit like that.. certainly its aero effects and not crypto mining right?

but yeah I really do believe Mozilla should just ceed the ... i dunno the codebase, we'll go with that as a name, to like apache foundation or something

I ave yet to see a site which works better safter a redesign in recent years even on a Chrome clone.

apache seems to be the dead end for software. See Open Office.

honestly mozilla is just gecko and a bunch of roatating failing money schemes

I thought Mozilla was now an AI™ corporation with a legacy web browser as a side gig

and now they are gonna be an ad company

hahaah

tomman: mozilla doesn't have AI of their own and it seems their summit failed to produce anything

shhh, don't tell them facts :P

that will scare the investors away

they ARE adding AI sidebar integration for other services.. i stripped it out of my prototype firefox fork

wasting money on ai and rebranding is something I wouldn't do. if something usable comes out of ai later you can always add it, Probably will but unless you want to burn billions first you should not be in the frontline.

tomman: you would not BELIEVE the amout of deterioration between the app and platform boundry or the depths of telemetry NOW

i look at browser/ today and it makes me sad cause in the tree I SEE core Firefox .. it is just covered in tons of GARBAGE

absolute trash code, styling, element design

for me.. One of two things will happen now that I am .. out of my prophecies being 2025 now.. I will either form new predictions and succeed and the world will be fine.. or I will succeed and be cut down by world events. Failure in and of its self on my part is NOT an option. Not anymore.

well I will do what I did in the last years. Work on SeaMonkey. All the bitching and venting won't get things done and its pointless in the end. Won't change anything. Not that I don't do it myself now and then :)

yeah if I ever stop so you can :P

wow you weren't kidding projects.apache.org

2016 a lot of retired committies and projects show up

ah, Apache Foundation

where the unloved Sun, er, Oracle projects go to die

the luckiest ones instead end at Eclipse

no problem says fedora person then two other people pipe up

12 days

If the Add-ons Site had been down for 12 days for someone or one of the prolific add-on forkers had been unable to do stuff for 2 weeks .. I'd have pitchforks at my server and death threats in my email as was standard signs of disapproval at the time.

frg_Away: it's nice to have windows vmware accel ;)

nsITobin did mostly clean up my attic in the last days. Really old old Thinkpadand other stuff needed to go. Will take it to 2.53 soon.

frg_Away: would you like the maintaince service just removed from the codebase?

frg_Away: pack all those Thinkpads and ship them to Venezuela

i see after the top patch to disable it

you pay shipping, of course :P

tomman a few T22 T23 T30 but barely working or dead. Kept the T42 for my eprom burner. Fixed up the T61s and will give them to a friends kid so that she can make some pocket money. Still go for about $30 and up now and then if working. One T410 with a bad screen but these are expensive to fix so not even trying. Good screens are rare.

my T40 mobo may be about to give up the ghost

it can't boot Debian anymore without hanging, overheating, and eventually shutting it down

maybe that's how the ATi curse begins?

ati gpu needs to be reflowed.

it only runs 98SE/Me fine as long as you don't try to defrag the HDD

or it will HANG

(with the same symptoms: hard lockup, then display goes black, fan goes BRR, and it shutdowns)

You can come over and pick 3 T42 :)

Is there a way to take a screenshot from the full body of a email message just like you can use the inspector to do that on regular webpages?

you would need to get it attached to a mailnews window

turns out you can't invoke the inspector on Mail&News

devtools won't make that easy

you would need to establish a devtools debugging session targeted at the mailnews message window

else you'd have to code

why screenshot when you can paste the message source .. faking that would be easy to spot

also i can create screenshots from nothing.. hell AI can create entire narratives from its datasets..

OK, found a way

do tell

those are just what I know about

the mailbox:// URI prefix

... right protocols

turns out you can view the message source, and that window tells you the URL

almost forgot mail is a protocol

LOL

which basically is mailbox:///$PROFILE/Mail/$SERVER/$FOLDER?number=$MSGID

well you should be able to make an extension that can automate it

to be fair this is the first time I need to screenshot a mail message :D

sorry tomman i was busy running the carpet cleaner

my lower back has had it for today.. lol

frg_Away: an ftl file has snuck through for uninstaller strings it seems.. is this intentional or an erRor?

nsITobin 2 or 3 are in and tested working.

well at its simplest flt is a properties file with so much sugar it causes the diabeetus

Its the future of translations and last I read stamped for replacement with an even better format. Will probably not happen after the layoff last year or 2023.

stampped for replacement

they ONLY completed the work including Thunderbird THIS YEAR

well last year

frg_Away: did anyone ever decide if DOM Inspector should be an integrated component or not cause I have a patch nearly done

Should also see how the CURRENT state of the tree breaks with vs2022 haven't done that for like 3 months

might be different now

nsITobin I still need to put the ipc stuff in. Still broken unless a wonder happened.

Same for later nss

how far did you get on nss?

115. Tried 128 but choked. Needs some backports in security.

UXP is at 3.90.x

same

128 is at 3.101.x ugh they did that

so wrong

yes have all the patches ready but chokes during compile

115 is 3.90.x

k

yes same I usually update at new esr time

where do you think I stole the idea from once I got sick of Moonchild's custom spot patching on it not cutting the mustard

only solution that didn't require monthly uplifts

I now just need to remove the esr only patches and update. checking every bug for regressions but this time it broke. As you state no time comsuming rebases.

getting past the gyp divide then what i was stuck in the 3.80s on my aborted UXP fork.. now this

how about nspr?

files.thereisonlyxul.org/adhoc/patc…s/XXTOBIN-inspector-component.patch distributes suite/extensions/inspector to suite/{components/inspector,locales/en-US/chrome/inspector,themes/classic/inspector,themes/modern/inspector. It maintains the inspector chrome package though content is sent to comm.jar the langpacks for non-en-US were just left in place with just the surroundings cleaned up.

nsITobin update it together with nss. I think there were no updates this time for esr.

file and completed this too bugzilla.mozilla.org/1939662 making good on my modern theme enhancement stuff

might want to ask IanN_Away for review then if you think it is good.

hi

I think its original lol

and yeah the round home button has always looked bad when small

The new one matches the toolbar icons a bit better but otherwise it is bland

well this is ONLY when on the bookmarks toolbar it uses its normal icon otherwise

that's not even the default location anymore

The one in the default theme looks like a bad copy of the snow whites dwarf house in big :)

well the seamonkey 2.0 icon set is in bad need of either an aesthetic refresh or just need a different set of icons .. personally I'd have left the ns4 icons in or had em redrawn rather than this oddly de-saturated set

wish i was into vector graphics but i find vector.. confusing

as I stated many times care bear lmovie ooks. But I won''t open this can of worms soon. Web compatibility first.

^movie look

i don't have a replacement either at hand or in mind..

not one that ain't just ripped out of an existing theme anyway

new logo and rebrand first. I think the dogbert consulting company will come up with a goods one

a new logo?

I like the seamonkey logo.. the wordmark tho could use some work

it was a joke :D

is mozilla's logo really a green flag

now

or is that just an alt branding

I think its the new branding.

i mean least it isn't salmon pink but really it looks like they came up with it internally.. if they paid a company to make that they should get a refund.. i hear they need dollars.

external company. its on the website.

yep

yep it was better when they were ripping off Basilisk's shit

what is this font it doesn't even render well

"Get the browser that puts your privacy first — and always has" well that's a lie

Privacy is a modern consern

Firefox predates modern conserns thus its untrue

I have a better idea? Remove all the telemetry THEN i may accept it was always privacy first

nsITobin vmware patch is now in 2.53

cool

./mach build

nsITobin currently wip. Remind me or IanN_Away before the next release. IanN uses vbox too so maybe he can test it also under linux

if it doesn't work on linux vbox if it uses the vmware svga driver at all or glitches out I can always ifdef to XP_WINNT

XP_WIN whatever both were valid for a time

if it breaks something the hw accel probably just needs to be switched off in prefs.

I just know with this patch or it in the tree I can test everything windows save mp4 hw decoding in vmware including fixups for Windows 11 as I refuse to run Windows 11 on metal or a vm with my username and password because then it can trash my system as it sees fit

or i have to shut off samba first

wonder if I should try the same with vbox driver

we should add parelles too even tho I can't test it.. Mozilla added it.. UXP has an entry for a Microsoft driver.. checking if that was added or left over

left over from esr52

ok you are at the state pre-refactoring in bug 1614798

VendorMicrosoft 0x1414 is apperently RDP

VirtualBox, "0x80ee" should target the windows virtualbox driver but will need added to everywhere VMWare was also microsoftbasic and microsofthyperv could likely be added as well

mozilla/gecko-dev 5aa9d3d tho check my patch for placement.. they did add VMware

nsITobin tried vbox. Better initially in youtube but ended up with black rectangles and no playback pretty fast. So not worth it.

was makin my BLTs lol

good night frg