Status meeting in 21 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-03-30

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njsg hi

Status meeting in 7 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-03-30

hi 2

rsx11m: hi

hi njsg and rsx11m

rsx11m Hi. You are early :)

yeah, had to look if everybody managed to adjust their clocks... 8-)

:D

actually there's one within <1m that is still on UTC+00:00

And I bet the Nokia S40 needs to be set to +01:00 too, for some reason the network it connects to also doesn't do time updates via 2G, and it merely has a DST option, but does not adjust automatically

I'd say maybe there's room for some tweaks or improvement, but I guess HMD doesn't even deal with *this* code, aren't they using something different now for the OS?

Status meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-03-30

Who's taking minutes?

me

thanks

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

mostly slackers or already nominated around in the last weeks. The fishes must be unhappy but nothing from me.

nor me, happy to take suggestions from the floow

*floor

sounds good to me if no one else :) seconded

thirded

4th'ed

Action Items

give them some extra food!

bau

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

bau

Still no progress with the signing keyy I think

no, I will chase later today

whatever was not working now works in Mozillawiki

I've been kept logged in

interesting...

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

it has been consistent now, so either something in the newest SeaMonkey release or they finally changed things on the server side (and I think it was something missing on the server side?)

Mostly bau. Ich worked a bit on the qip branch. Did some build backports for 2.53 and tried to fix tests but so far still broken. Probably some Python backports missing or we took out too much from the test backend.

Looked into the jetpack add-on breakage but no luck either.

^wip branch

centrtal not touched. Need to do reviews but juggling too much stuff around.

IanN: (ah, mediawiki was updated, bug 1424598 comment 21)

njsg: ah, thanks

Release Train

I am not much help because the burdon of completing a SeaMonkey task is too high. I don't have or won't soon have the means nor time to do it like it's 2008.

I think we should do 2.53.21 and not wait for the key. I am just behind with the cZ reviews but can set the tree to 2.53.22b1 pre so that we have a stop patch for now.

nsITobin Hi and don't worry. You are doing more than 99% of the people using SeaMonkey.

In the event I cannot .. well exist anymore I want to figure out some way to transfer my servers to SeaMonkey control because they are cheap and overspec'd well 2 of them.. irreplaceable. So we should work something like that out for worst case..

nsITobin long live the tobin. You won't perish any time soon.

perish.. with my dying breath! lol but operate as a digital entity.. is less certain

CopilotTobin?

Well fund the llm I'll pour my self into it lol

SeaMonkey AI

Extensions Tracking

sorry for the derailment.. i did kinda jump in when i remembered

Tried to fix the bad jetpack add-on but failed again. Just removed the jetpack tests from the build stuff.

Extension tracking may become easier because I have sufficiently enough new PHP to magic up an add-ons site again though the rdf parser is gonna be busted by PHP 8.1+ by .4 it may be unfixable as-is

8.2+*

I'll want to soon brainstorm some tools to be rolled in that will help for that purpose based on what is submitted and managed

2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable

hello world~

hi tomman

hello tomman

hiya tomman

bau. Plan to update the wip branch fast but as usual need distractions from it :)

tomman: hi

yeah, I hate accesskeys!

hi tomman

Hi, I dropped in a bit late, so sorry if this was already discussed.

frg wants to stop 32 bit support. My question is: will the extensions (Add-On's) still work with x64?

should make no difference

i don't think there are any add-ons with binaries

There is no current extension which does not support x64. This was only a thing with npapi and binary add-ons. Long gone.

Gert5: addons do not have native code, usually

extensions would be unaffected because the only item that made bitness important to extensions was binary xpcom components and special npapi plugins.

IanN: the last one was GNOMERunner, and that one has been broken for a decade or so

and seamonkey dropped support for that a while ago

Thanks, that answers it

i've mainly been working on modernising cZ

I wish but seems I am the only one doing backports currently. help!

frgAI™

does build and function testing help frg cause I can still do that easily

Occvasionally building wip on Linux and testing it a bit would help. I use it mainly for mail. Thing I broke some script fragment support but unsure yet.

It seems to be pretty fast on sites where it is working. Ebay is 100% better here for example.

But with at lest the optional chaing support it is not very useable.

the usual suspects remain the same over here: dynamic imports, and a growing usage of static (?) class members (the "missing : before property" blah)

woah why is my ping so high

tomman first works in wip and second already mostly

AOB?

frg: time to update my nightly then~

bau

are wip builds also automated or just the main patch queue?

tomman it is a different branch. No binary.

oh :/

I can provide one but you will not be happy. New regexp and optional chaning taken out for now.

So some sites work better and others works not

What I would like is a debug symbols build to trace that CF hang

The taken out patches where kudged in from orginally Waterfox by buc I think. But they need a complete do-over. with the latest js source changes now.

it's somewhere deep in libxul, but then... libxul is life itself :D

debuggin usually crahes beucase of a mcrotask issue. Hits a release assert.

weren't waterfox's patches just UXP patches ported by hawkeye?

^chrashes

or am i thinking of something else

libxul is libevil

tomman: there's no libxul, there's only xul?

nsITobin might be. Buc provided them and I was really greateful. SeaMonkey stated working agaion for lots of sites.

just kinda how it is supposed to be.. just needs moar!

thanks for your time today, next meeting in 3 weeks time, same bat channel, same bat time

I think our next meeting collides with Easter Sunday?

Main reason I go the slow route more or less. Don't want to redo stuff later again.

yeah, has been bau here, so not much to add

no idea what are the easter dates

April 20th, yes

postpone a week

27th then?

yeah, Easter isn't it?

Regarding the CF saga, apparently they're going to launch their browser support program "soon", maybe by next week

so... I'll keep an eye on that and notify, but someone should get on that

okay next meeting in 4 weeks then

they don't really care. Unless I have bug numbers to backport I don't even have the time to try to look into it.

Any chance it's an NDA programme just to prevent people from telling other projects what's needed?

some of it is diliberate obfuscation .. as to not let any enemy projects get a leg up.. If the work is based off a bug a bug needs mentioned somewhere..

IanN: 27th it is!

but i could never get them to consistantly do that

happy Easter-Egg hunting then :-D

bye

hop hop hoppay

i love software eastereggs

bye rsx11m

see you here as away

but not far away

nsITobin: have you heard of Tuesday eggs?

cya all :-)

njsg: no

nsITobin: "OpenOffice does not print on tuesdays"

I should buy eggs tomorrow

tomman: gonna take out a small loan?

to pay for those eggs?

what's with egg prices in the US

it has been reported that, uh, there was talk of importing eggs from Finland?

fascism and stupidity

nsITobin: nah, no need

same thing with everything else in the US atm

it's the only cheap-ish thing remaining in Soviet Venezuela

you can buy 30 eggs for $6

and i am now personally convinced one cannot be both a fascist and smart.

one MUST give for the other

This time it not the dumb queue but bird flu

^dumb crew

so does the RNC decide they are gonna take power based on animal flu outbreaks.. cause its been rather consistant my adult life thus far

... MICROS~1 is forcing Microsoft accounts and Internet connectivity now?

in theory yes

why they don't ditch Windows and force peoples to buy think clients and use RDP accounts then? :D

--thin

...ah yeah, those pesky gamers and content producers

the mastodon thread seems to suggest they might have just removed the script, not the setting, at least for now...

I been studing the system used for generating the main website

today

too much manual work lol

in terms of each page being nearly full pages in source so a global change is difficult to propigate except foreach

and static sites are all the rage these days..

doesn't look like the actual generation of the site has changed much beyond a few small patches since initial setup though contents of the site obviously changed

it amazes me how robust old perl is .. even if it is hard to follow..

i should have never stopped learning it in early 2000s .. everyone needs a cgi-bin :P

I can only hope my code lasts half as long

without being obviously out of date cause that perl thing ain't much less advanced than any other static site generator up till say 2017ish

node sites not withstanding

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