00:05:27 <tomman> Hmmmm... just noticed that this Anubis thing is supposed to draw a progress bar, not just a cute wolfgirl
00:05:40 <tomman> but the progress bar does not render for some reason in SeaMonkey
00:05:52 <tomman> (just noticed when testing a Giggitylab instance on FF)
00:10:47 <tomman> not that I care as the actual "coal burner" script eventually lets me in
08:36:19 <njsg> Sompi: yeah, I think I've found news outlet result sites less usable in the past, and the one at vaalit.fi is so good I've only been using that
08:36:39 <njsg> it really could stand as an example of how to do things well, I think
10:27:04 <Sompi> https://phils-web-site.net/
10:27:18 <Sompi> njsg: probably also works on Lynx
10:28:34 <Sompi> it works
10:30:29 <Sompi> (I mean that vaalit.fi result service)
16:07:48 <njsg> Sompi: yle also used to do full text in RSS/Atom feeds, now it's only snippets
16:08:55 <njsg> Sompi: re: cars lasting 30 years, 1970 SOREFAME-built electric multiple units are still in active use :-D
16:10:36 <njsg> (INOX, budd-style, at the turn of the century the ones still in sufficiently good condition were deeply upgraded as a new class, but still the same structure)
16:15:45 <njsg> (that is IIRC the second model of 25kV 50Hz EMUs, the first one had 3 or so batches, and might have been done in tandem with electrification projects in other countries ("Groupement [...] 50 Hz"))
16:17:08 <njsg> unit 2064 of the first model has made appearances as a christmas tree a couple years ago https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/CP_2064_na_esta%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_Lisboa-Rossio.jpg
16:19:39 <njsg> ... plus or minus one year
16:21:12 <resica> I got two minor gripes that aren't critical, but was hoping I could find a solution to with the composer.
16:21:24 <resica> First one, is that I cannot use HTML comments directly in the code editor
16:21:40 <resica> 2nd one, I'm skeptical with how non standard the exported HTML is, that it won't work forever with modern browsers.
16:21:55 <resica> Such as text not wrapped in <p>.....</p> tags.
16:25:59 <njsg> (A side note that "modern browsers" are most likely those which follow the "living standard" and so it's not even guaranteed things won't break at some point. (And no, these standards aren't considerate enough to keep backwards-compatibility))
16:26:08 <njsg> but now to these two questions, comments, let me see
16:27:31 <njsg> resica: what's happening with comments? I don't see anything obvious both with "preserve original source formatting" enabled and disabled
16:28:03 <njsg> as for <p>..</p>, text doesn't have to be inside these, does it? Also IIRC it can be used without and ending tag, can't it?
16:29:02 <resica> Lets say in the regular code viewer. I type <!--FOOBAR-->, it showed it as literal instead of making it into a commented line.
16:29:59 <njsg> as in it showed in the rendered text? And you entered it in the source view?
16:30:12 <resica> I'll give a imgur example. Give me a second.
16:39:47 <resica> Okay, bottom is the editor. Top is the preview in seamonkey. https://imgur.com/a/YYj94NZ
16:42:22 <njsg> resica: but the bottom one is not the source view, you entered that in the source view?
16:49:11 <resica> No, the normal view. It's bit of an inconvenience to constantly switch tabs just to enter a comment or two.
16:50:15 <njsg> but if you enter a comment in the source tab it should be treated as a comment
16:50:41 <njsg> in the normal view, there's Insert->HTML, no idea how well that works for your purposes
16:51:07 <resica> Can I show the normal and source view side by side?
16:51:43 <njsg> not that I know of
16:52:48 <njsg> it's actually a separate editor, and content is synced when switching to/from the source view, but only one is in use at a time
18:55:14 <Sompi> njsg: Yeah, we pay with our tax money and they don't even give the full article in the RSS
18:56:20 <Sompi> And they clearly _want_ us to use Chrome, Firefox
21:25:36 <njsg> Sompi: *and* wasn't there something with lobbying from Sanoma etc. to have Yle not do as much written news articles?
22:33:16 <Sompi> I don't know
23:18:52 <njsg> Sompi: also, about web developers having different levels of expertise, https://media.mementomori.social/cache/media_attachments/files/114/336/136/765/290/030/original/7ee996357f5bc501.jpeg
23:20:50 <njsg> (that ought to have more versions out there, but google image search isn't helping finding one with a much shorter address, so I go with the one cached from https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@pikuma/114336121355016306 )
23:21:07 <njsg> it's also not new, (2012 at least), but I hadn't seen that one yet :-P
23:32:58 <tomman> that guy has a punchable face, yes :D
23:33:19 <tomman> webdevs, so predictable
23:34:26 <njsg> a further reply suggests this is his own doing. I guess I haven't seen interviews with him before.