07:13:10 <njsg> directly replacing /bin/init with /bin/bash is probably not a good idea unless /bin/bash is statically-linked. of course I don't expect something like bash4->bash5 to happen anytime soon, but it's something to keep in mind
07:14:03 <njsg> (might be moot if what the system ends up using is the same bash, of course)
15:39:19 <nsITobin> https://github.com/microsoft/winfile#announcement-repository-to-be-archived-on-march-1-2025
15:39:24 <nsITobin> WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK
15:39:40 <nsITobin> They don't have the resources.. to do .. File Manager
15:40:42 <nsITobin> "we simply do not have the expertise or resources within the organization to continue to maintain this project."
15:41:14 <nsITobin> so microsoft no longer has the expertise to develop the most basic windows program that is still useful
15:41:36 <nsITobin> microsoft no longer has the expertise to actually write win32 apps
15:43:10 <nsITobin> ACTUALLY this could spell out that win32 as we have known it is finally gonna be fundamentally busted and not even the most primitive functions will work properly anymore
16:04:15 <tomman> people actually used that?!
16:04:18 <tomman> color me shocked
16:04:34 <nsITobin> it actually works better in some circumstances vs explorer
16:04:54 <tomman> also, technically it's *checks license* FOSS, so I guess a zillion forks will keep it alive somehow
16:05:08 <tomman> now MS please opensource Program Manager :P
16:05:22 <tomman> > While you may continue to work on your own private fork, remember that use of archived repositories are more risky from a security standpoint and caution should be taken.
16:05:31 <tomman> oh yeah, here comes the Sekuritah FUD™
16:08:22 <nsITobin> tomman: i have the program manager source code somewhere.. someone needs to cleanroom it
17:16:37 <nsITobin> fuckin gitlab is too MOOOODDDDEEERRRRNNN to import from a dumbhttp git directory
17:16:38 <nsITobin> ugh
17:17:03 <tomman> Git is no longer for dinosaurs, it seems
17:17:37 <nsITobin> gitlab also is too MODERN to use ports
17:18:10 <nsITobin> so i have to have my gogs repo be dumbhttp hosted.. imported to codeburg then maybe gitlab will import it
17:18:24 <nsITobin> it's one of my old trees so too large to just.. push
17:19:11 <nsITobin> cause if gogs is exposed to the web someone comes along and crashes it and for some reason this sophisticated system daemon can't figure out to restart it
17:20:28 <nsITobin> and remember this is ALL BECAUSE SOMEONE didn't want me to start an x11 fork by recruiting anti-waylandists on some gist...
17:20:30 <nsITobin> tomman:
17:22:49 <nsITobin> i dunno if other people have these problems and shit.. but I do know most other people have normal life to deal with as well.. whatever that means in today's world..
17:23:43 <tomman> at least it's not a $60K problem: https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2025/04/15.html
17:24:09 <tomman> guys, if you ever consider quitting web browser dev, NEVER go and open a place to sell booze
17:24:54 <nsITobin> i am starting to think our imperious leader cares more about his freakie liberal nightclub than those whom his software shaped and the world at large..
17:25:32 <tomman> at least he has his stainless steel toilets working again
17:25:46 <nsITobin> I think it's time to occupy dnalounge and get JWZ to lead us to victory
17:26:06 <nsITobin> if he wants to use the dnalounge as a war room all the better
17:26:11 <nsITobin> think he will go for it?
17:26:12 <nsITobin> lol
17:26:46 <tomman> Windows PCs are not welcome at the DNA, so...
17:27:01 <nsITobin> i use linux
17:27:05 <nsITobin> ... mostly
17:27:41 <nsITobin> I want to ask him why the bouncing cows are lit with flesh colored light..
17:27:57 <nsITobin> first and foremost then on to the world collapse and such
17:28:17 <nsITobin> priorities.. shitters, cows, the world.
17:28:18 <tomman> Or you can get a Mastodon account and ask him :)
17:28:21 <nsITobin> seems netscape to me
17:28:27 <tomman> if he is not pissed off as usual, he may even reply
17:28:39 <tomman> just NEVER try to help him when a "Dear Lazyweb" toot comes up
18:25:57 <tomman> > One of the brand new toilets in Men's was already horribly clogged because some asshole tried to flush a phone-sized vape.
18:25:59 <tomman> Jesus...
18:26:12 <tomman> and this is why I'll stick to software, thanks :/
18:44:38 <nsITobin> Hi the not away frg
18:44:42 <nsITobin> what's new?
18:45:24 <frg> nsITobin this and that. Doing mostly l10n cleanups today. Wanted to do 2.53.21 but tomorrow is another day.
18:46:19 <frg> He just needs this one for the toilet: https://ibb.co/YS61zJs
18:46:59 <tomman> nah, his place is MICROS~1-free~
18:47:14 <tomman> now, a "war on drugs" urinal cake would be more down his alley
18:47:43 <tomman> (he actually wrote about that one about 30 years ago, if I recall well)
18:48:27 <tomman> agh MercadoLibre, not only your Chromeisms crater my seller experience, your site design is also a dump for my buyer experience!
18:49:22 <tomman> to the idiot at Argentina that decided to get rid of subcategories at places like "hard disk drives" or "old magazines", there is a special place in hell reserved for you
18:49:25 <tomman> hint: it's not cozy
18:50:00 <tomman> got a broken Lenovo laptop a while ago (a Ideapad junk), owner do not want to repair it, got told to part it out and sell it
18:50:24 <tomman> which means dealing with 50 Shades of Breakage at ML's seller website
18:50:34 <frg> And a message to people still employed at IBM: https://ibb.co/zh0KqWrs
18:50:49 <tomman> I've Been Moved™
18:51:18 <frg> tomman not worth to part them out. Sell as a whole.
18:51:37 <tomman> Well, this one actually has a broken case, broken LCD panel, dead HDD, no RAM, dead battery...
18:52:13 <tomman> and when I took apart the LCD panel asembly to temporarily remove the broken panel and swap in a testing unit, that case also broke apart
18:52:43 <tomman> the hinges are basically floating in mid air since the screwposts got toaled
18:52:45 <tomman> --totaled
18:53:04 <tomman> it's a G480, with a CPU class I had never seen in the last 15 years: a Celeron
18:56:20 <frg> It is a piece of junk. https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/withdrawnbook/3wbook.pdf
18:57:09 <tomman> butbutubt it's a Ivy Bridge, and turns out Ivy Bridge is my second favorite bridge after Sandy Bridge :D
18:57:25 <tomman> but yeah, the case is basically made out of best wishes and crushed hopes
18:57:41 <tomman> weirdly enough this one was made in Argentina
18:57:46 <tomman> didn't even knew Lenovo assembled laptops there
18:59:31 <tomman> oh fun, the specific config I got here is not even listed there (Celeron 1000M), I guess it was some Latam-exclusive model then
19:01:17 <frg> Come over and grab a T430s or T530 then. Seems the cellery cpu is hd graphics so the more or less good HD4000 drivers won't work I assume.
19:01:18 <frg> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/72060/intel-celeron-processor-1000m-2m-cache-1-80-ghz/specifications.html
19:01:49 <frg> But it is a pga socket so in theory it can taken an i5.
19:02:51 <frg> munch time so away on the olterh laptop only :)
19:12:16 <tomman> oh wow MercadoLibre
19:12:26 <tomman> "Optane Capacity" is a mandatory parameter to list laptops, even broken ones
19:12:28 <tomman> WTF
19:12:30 <tomman> but RAM... isn't
19:27:40 <tomman> they ask 20000 irrelevant questions
19:28:20 <tomman> also the TEXT-ONLY (because ML killed HTML descriptions) editor has EXTREME lag and high CPU usage - deleting stuff takes SECONDS, and the whole product editor sometimes goes "oops, something happened™"
22:33:11 <njsg> nsITobin, tomman: IMHO the Explorer, at least starting with NT 6.1, might become harder to use. Haven't been able to nail it down other than noticing the UI being so... unorganized also does not help
22:35:18 <njsg> 0419|18:24:09 <+tomman> guys, if you ever consider quitting web browser dev, NEVER go and open a place to sell booze <-- [ok, some fiction:] jwz would be like "oh I know, I'll sell pizza too" and now he has two problems.
22:35:48 * njsg hopes jwz doesn't read this; also has never been to any of the two parts of DNA, wouldn't mind having such a pizza, though!
22:37:22 <njsg> also I demand a war room which is not inside the USA. Preferrably with no pies :-P
22:41:07 <njsg> ... ok, maybe that movie is not something I want to have near my thoughts right now given certain world events.