Can't figure out why my mouse scroll wheel is not working right. Any clues?

I bet it is a SeaMonkey bug!

get an optical mouse, it'll solve all your problems - oh, wait...

well, maybe it just needs a bit of WD40?

what preconditions are needed to activate Seamonkey autoupdate?

I suppose write permissions on the install directory, enabling the auto-update setting and the platform and installed version being a combination that the update server offers an update to

(but I might be missing something)

It's also possible if the install is customized somehow (e.g. because it's offered from a distro via a package manager) that the auto-update setting is locked or overriden on startup (was this "channel preferences"?)

pref "auto.update.channel" was set to default, I got message no update available, I changed to release and got message 500 server error

is it possible to generate a log file to see whats going on in the background when I click the check for updates ?

ewong is probabyl tinkering with the 2.53.21b1 update. Give it a day or two. Update should not be triggered if you are on a release version.

njsg wd40 is only good for mecanical parts up to a point. Cleaned it with isopropyl 100% and an onld toothbrush. Blaregg. It was so much dirt.

WD40 eats plastics, from what I know

so don't - use good ol' IPA

downloaded and tested right now sm2.53.19 official release, Update to version 2.53.20 is working there, What options are needed in mozconfig to enable autoupdate? I used --enable-updater, did I forget something?

then some grease suitable for plastics - 3-in-1 can do in a pinch

slk64_14107: while i understand why you are asking but building yourself with enabled updater seems counterproductive.. if you can update to a binary release why are you building?

tomman IPA also dislikes some plastics like petg.

hot water hot enough to sanitize plastic also instantly melts some plastics like those in 2l bottles .. it shrinks.. and never recovers

update channel needs to be release or beta

i don't remember 2lt bottles in the 90s having that issue.. in fact when I was a kid we'd reuse them for water and would have to clean them and hot soapy water did the trick.. try that today and you will have a collapsed shrunkin useless bottle with a 10th of its volume left useable

only a 10th left useable*

nsITobin in thsi case the pcb needed cleaning too. No water here unless destilled. The salt minerals in it will eat the parts over time otherwise.

yes I'm building sm from source and an update is actually not needed. But I would like to know the reason why an update fails ;-)

slk64_14107: for raisins :P

--enable-updsate-channel

--enable-update-channel

are the channels not defined in confvars or are those still left set to mozilla infra values and you control it via release mozconfig?

yes via mozconfig

frg_Away: in the long run.. it is easier to just tie branding to update channels and then just control enabling or disabling the updater

of course seamonkey would then need some more branding to match said channels :P

need some nightly and unofficial branding first

i like depthcharge and brineshrimp respectively for that if not going SeaMonkey $channel brandwise

seamonkey nightly tho branding could be done with a logo mod.. simply have the sky in the logo be dark with stars.. and there you go

make the seamonkey its self given an orange tint dark blue night sky with stars and darker water..

wish i knew how to do vector bs.. suppose if i were to do it i'd have to seperate the layers and recomposite them in my raster image program..

... cause apperently when I think modern design i think 70s film effects i guess

Status meeting starts in 30 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-04-27

thank you very much, bye

frg_Away: tomman: yeah, I think I'd go with alcohol too, perhaps also some washing for what's fully removable

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still need to work out some means for effectively the SeaMonkey association to assimilate all BinOC infra and constructs should I fall off the internet.

likely just end up writing down several key accounts and passwords putting it in a password'd archive and then putting it on a dedicated free cloud drive then give frg and IanN one the drive account password and the other the archive password..

best to not vanish and work on offical infra with ewong :)

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i have no plans to vanish.. would be extremely anti-climatic at any rate..

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hi .

hi .*

howdy *

rsx11m hi

Status meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-04-27

hi rsx11m, frg and njsg

hi again IanN

Who's taking minutes?

me

thanks

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

I nominate frg for his masocistic work on l10n

ye

seconded

thanks

Action Items

Depending on the language it is easy thanks to Total Commanders sync feature.

frg: still takes time

bau

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

yeah some 15 minutes and some a few hours so far. But one time only.

hello world~

hiya tomman

Updated the Windows builder for the 2.53.21 beta but only VS2019 and git thg.

Hi tomman

the old windows and linux servers were finally decommissioned

i need to make good on my clone bundle syncing scheme so at least one doesn't have to fool with mozilla until you have the bulk of it already.. i am thinking a script to get various bundles and realign their upstream source upon checkout and pull latest

hg bundle*

nsITobin I think the xref has not picked up the 2.53.21b1 change.

likely a permissions issue i didn't resolve when i last manually sync'd.. i keep having that .. i will kick it here in a few

frg: did you add your usual tag?

IanN: if i manually pull as root and then apache tries to do it it will fail

"apache"

IanN unless I goofed yes.

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

Mozilla chnaes to gitlab as the master source. I think the days of the suite comonent might be numberd now unless I am mistaken.

^github

Release Train

2.53 is now at 2.53.22b1 pre. Didn't have much time for my wip branch becuase of real life, l10n and beta building.

SM2.53.21b1 is due out this week, please test very well

Planned to be the last x86 release and should be very very stable. cZ has a nickman problem which will be fixed for the final but nothing else I think.

seamonkey-2.53/source: Changing branch to 2_53_21_beta_01...

thanks nsITobin

it was a permissions issue

Extensions Tracking

IanN fixed an outstand issue with find and I a Composer issue with links and images.

we try our best

IanNN I looked at the jetpack breakage discussed last time but no clue currently.

2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable

how are we doing with the latest JS stuff these days?

dynamic imports and static class members have become pretty much mandatory for.. well, everything

these are the two missing features that bite the most these days

bau. A bit down becuase of the lack of progress wrt web compatibility but can't be helped. Still not giving up.

the world has reached a point where some of these open wifi WLAN APs which require at least clicking somewhere now will leave people out because of JS features

not that I tried with SM directly, but I guess SM would have the same fate there

AOB

tomman Again like a broken record mostly working in my wip branch but needed to take out optional chaning and new regexp for rebasing.

aob bau

thanks for your time today, next meeting in 3 weeks time on 18th May

cu *

(even though it says 4 weeks)

:-/

same bat channel, same bat time

IanN oh can't make it on the 18th

oh, maybe it does need to be 4 weeks then...

an appointment with a MISTER P. N. GUIN PERHAPS.. frg

11 and 25 are fine by me

IanN: corrected

worse :)

eh, ok - when then?

confidential personal issue

that's ok, shall we keep 18 anyway or reschedule?

i think we're going for 25th

as far as it's weekends, I don't think I have anything scheduled, at least for May

25th is Memorial Day weekend here, but other than BBQ no plans

calendars are difficult... 8-)

so, once a month then

Now we just need to trim all months to have exactly 28 days

njsg: and all have the trimmings at the end of the year?

IanN: or every few years. I mean, we're already doing February 29

shall we adopt a moon calendar?

Too palemoonish :)

quantum central is gonna take longer to index .. i think the hg repo is abusted..

might have to swap it out for the git version

okay, so next meeting in 4 weeks, thanks again for your time today

ok, so I'll make it 25th in four weeks...

we could always have a short meeting next sunday to hope the Force writes some code :-P

(but yes, see you all on the 25th!)

i know frg doesn't hardly touch the historical trees but do you use them at all IanN or can I slim the cross reference maintaince and store down to just active code and a couple older trees

nsITobin I usually use 2.53 only and when I need history pick the file in thg or searchfox from a later tree. SO for me they can be trimmed.

nsITobin: I mainly use 2.53

With the move to git searxchfox will become useless when hg is gone later but for now it is still ok.

was thinking just have central, seamonkey 2.53, seamonkey 2.49, and historical seamonkey 1.1 and 2.0

2.21 is also a favorite mining tree for me personally but not sure what would be left of value that wouldn't also be in 2.49 at the very least but also likely in 2.53

I think suite didn't change much till about 2.3x.

Then mozilla started the change frenzy.

cu here as away

well the code is here I grabbed my old hg to git conversion tree and overlayed my current bastardization on top.. unfortently Moonchild holds the only surviving copy of the full history repo with all my changes..

I know where it is but it isn't public

frg_Away: you think searchfox will be killed and mozilla will only use github searching?

nsITobin It will stay but just look at the git log function currently active. It is crap for history.

git blame?

isn't that eq to annotations?

not as nice

but

git log in searchfox. Just links to github

i find searchfox subopimal cause there is no way to seemingly switch branches or get back to the main index of trees plus the searchbar confuses me

oh

It is not good but it is not as worse as native github

well i have some skills i developed from traversing gecko-dev that helps but it is only a virtue i forced my self to do it for so long it has become like instinct.. if i try and explain HOW to accomplish it.. it will be tedious and annoying and I doubt i can translate it back very well .. but there are WAYS to use github's blame and commit history to get into those hard to find nooks and cranies .. like alt history streams not addressed by any direct

branch or tag pointer

of course how mozilla has handled their repos has added a bunch of issues that will plauge a git conversion for years to come.. i warned them about it.. we will see if they listened

central has been switched I think or will be soon.

i dunno but mozilla isn't anything remotely like the mozilla we knew .. or maybe it is and that is a worse thought