08:42:27 <marte> hi all, it's been years i don't ask for support in a irc support chat, it's been years i don't use irc at all, i just discovered antix, i was seeking a distribution that allow me to resurrect an old notebook and i'm glad i've found antix, really impressive! I just have a single problem i can't solve by myself, for now :-) , i can't guess the root password, i've tried "demo" and other 5 or 6...
08:42:28 <marte> ...more but they don't work, someone can try help me?
11:07:58 <UsL> probablt toor but how did he end up here of all places
12:45:56 <nsITobin> i just realized something
12:46:51 <nsITobin> SeaMonkey as of 2.1 would have been Netscape 10 and its been basically rolling release ever since
12:47:10 <nsITobin> if it stayed suite and existed
12:47:52 <nsITobin> a tidbit i bet some mozillaians at the time were aware of.. so basically we cna blame Windows 10 on Mozilla too
12:49:44 <nsITobin> but seriously good morning #seamonkey
14:43:14 <nsITobin> good morning frg_Away
14:43:32 <frg_Away> nsITobin greetings
14:50:22 <nsITobin> moving the xr to bismuth which I been finding every task other than doing that but i plum runout of related side tasks
14:51:00 <nsITobin> this late-moonchild era php is horrible btw.. i am surprised it actually works and keeps working
14:51:07 <nsITobin> then again i can say the same for the perl code
14:51:43 <nsITobin> glad to know my code quality is at least up to a hacked 25 year old perl program
14:51:45 <nsITobin> :P
14:54:05 <frg_Away> working on more wip backports but a bit busy in the coming days.
14:56:56 <nsITobin> i want to get the xref setup so it will run the queue for wip patches so there can actually be some cross... referencing... between release and wip
14:58:59 <nsITobin> it is just more moving parts so automation has more likelyhood of falling over
16:32:08 <nsITobin> when did I ping timeout because my system froze hard wouldn't even respond to power off
18:11:13 <nsITobin> ram is fine
19:33:16 <tomman> WOW
19:33:19 <tomman> JWZ blocked SeaMonkey!
19:33:27 <tomman> 4Ø3
19:33:28 <tomman> NO ROBOTS
19:33:30 <tomman> IF YOU ARE NOT A ROBOT, UPGRADE YOUR OUTDATED SYSTEM SO THAT YOU STOP LOOKING LIKE A BOTNET OR A BULK DOWNLOADER.
19:33:40 <tomman> it worked until... less than one hour ago
19:34:24 <tomman> Either it's that, or his obviously borked and paranoid junk blocklists flagged my CGNAT IP
19:34:37 <tomman> "outdated system"
19:34:45 <tomman> piss off, Zawinski
19:35:01 <tomman> anyway, it seems that our creator finally disowned us
19:35:43 <Tekk> tomman: He said he was going to days ago
19:36:07 <Tekk> Chrome before 2023, firefox before 2021 or something like that
19:36:19 <tomman> hmmm, FF128ESR also gets blocked
19:36:28 <tomman> ...starting to believe it's my CGNAT then
19:36:34 <Tekk> No, it hit me too
19:36:58 <tomman> oof
19:38:23 <tomman> the dude finally went mental, not just insane
19:38:36 <tomman> in the meanwhile, another toilet breaks at his nightclub
19:39:58 <nsITobin> WHAT?!
19:40:28 <nsITobin> JWZ lost his mind?
19:43:02 <tomman> more than usual, this time
19:43:11 <Tekk> nsITobin: He posted a few days ago that he noticed that most spammers and bots use user agents with old browser versions, so he was blocking all outdated user agents
19:43:32 <nsITobin> that's sad
19:43:48 <nsITobin> well fuk jwz then
19:44:00 <nsITobin> thanks for all the scapes and nets i guess
19:44:05 <Tekk> With the partial justification of "If you're using an outdated browser like this you ought to be smart enough to lie in your user agent string"
19:44:31 <nsITobin> yeah well jwz seems more old and insecure than seamonkey is
19:44:59 <tomman> his biggest mistake in life was buying that nightclub :P
19:45:22 <nsITobin> no his biggest mistake is letting andersen fuck everyone over for decades
19:46:08 <tomman> nah, they were "young and naive"
19:46:22 <tomman> ...just like everybody in SF circa 1994
19:46:53 <Tekk> I don't think jwz had much say over andreesen :p
19:49:33 <Tekk> Honestly better solution than cloudflare or anubis or some shit
19:49:58 <tomman> ...not really, because it once again harms innocent users
19:50:05 <tomman> eventually you will end blocking 90% of the Internet
19:50:10 <tomman> and by then, why even have users?
19:51:00 <tomman> Sadly the only solution to the AI/bot threat is legislation and proper law enforcement, which in real life means "this problem is unfixable, sorry"
19:53:26 <nsITobin> tomman: well least the pope isn't a nazi .. i was conserned about that if the catholic church has say chosen a cohort of pope benedict .. that would have been a fundamental shift in power
19:53:44 <Tekk> I dunno. I can't think of anyone who's gonna have a UAS that ancient unintentionally.
19:53:46 <Tekk> And the workaround is trivial
19:54:16 <Tekk> I have a hard time getting worked up over it
19:55:20 <tomman> that works for us nerds that know how to change the oil in our cars, but for regular users that just happen to share a liking to a specific website, it quickly becomes the equivalent of a nation state level blockade
19:56:46 <jonadab> jwz has always been a bit eccentric.
19:57:51 <tomman> hmmm, didn't noticed the 2.53.21 builds already identified as FF128
19:57:59 <tomman> what's the current Firefox version?
19:58:38 <tomman> ...the hell, they're now up to 138
19:58:46 <jonadab> But his site (jwz.org) loads for me just fine in SM.
19:59:13 <Tekk> Oh hm
19:59:26 <Tekk> 128 *is* the latest firefox esr
20:00:18 <Tekk> Okay that's really funny
20:00:44 <jonadab> FF increments the version number every few weeks.  Keeping up with it is a treadmill.  At one point I got disgusted and set my "User Agent Switcher"'s FF version number to 99.9, but of course soon enough that wasn't enough any more.
20:00:48 <tomman> ha!
20:00:59 <tomman> tried with a made up user agent, and... it let me in
20:01:13 <Tekk> Mozilla has a firefox browser comparison page where all of them are "Firefox is more private by default!" except brave, which is "Brave's defaults are too private! It might break websites! Also you have to go into the settings page to change your search engine"
20:01:19 <tomman> literally tried with the most JWZ user agent ever: "Fuck/You (dontcare; 0.1)"
20:01:27 <tomman> and that worked
20:01:30 <Tekk> I bet my old user agent would work
20:01:43 <tomman> but definitely FF128 is banned despite being the active ESR version
20:01:45 <Tekk> I used to claim I was Mosaic on GEM+DRDOS :)
20:03:28 <tomman> hmmm, something is inconsistent
20:03:35 <tomman> now my FF128ESR setup connects fine
20:03:43 <tomman> so it's... not user agent related after all
20:04:05 <nsITobin> or you pass and your ip is whitelisted
20:04:10 <nsITobin> for a time
20:05:09 <tomman> it's definitely related to his nightclub toilets, I swear!
20:05:39 <tomman> but yeah, my CGNAT is a curse
20:05:47 <tomman> especially given the weird way my ISP set it up
20:05:48 <Tekk> I can get in on firefox 128
20:05:55 <Tekk> Maybe he's blocking a specific 128 point?
20:06:02 <Tekk> Like nothing older than 128.6 or w/e
20:06:20 <tomman> Tekk: not really - I tried on whatever version is shipped on Debian half an hour ago, and got blocked
20:06:27 <tomman> then tried right now, and... was no longer blocked
20:08:17 <nsITobin> Mozilla/5.0 (California Night Club; rv:128.0) FlushMaster/3.0
20:08:22 <Tekk> I just double checked his blog post
20:08:37 <Tekk> He said he's blocking any mozilla UA before 2017
20:09:06 <Tekk> It makes no sense why seamonkey is blocked. Quantum was well after 2017
20:09:20 <nsITobin> i dunno maybe he hates us
20:09:47 <Tekk> I mean seamonkey *is* the spawn of navigator 4
20:10:13 <nsITobin> i mean he still works on fuckin xscreensaver even tho all distros will be wayland only by 2027 why not help us
20:10:59 <tomman> I guess for the same reason he refuses to update from the last iPhone with a headphone jack
20:11:19 <tomman> (instead of defecting to Android, where we still have choice... somewhat)
20:11:26 <nsITobin> he shouldn't even HAVE an iphone
20:11:33 <nsITobin> what kind of person has an iphone?!
20:11:43 <nsITobin> techie wise
20:11:46 <Tekk> He's been big on apple ever since osx
20:12:11 <nsITobin> I mean I love NeXTStep too but fuck.. we got open source shit for that now
20:12:31 <tomman> These days he still remains on Apple because of his hateboners on both Microsoft ("they killed my company") and Linux ("Linux UI sucks")
20:12:51 <nsITobin> or is it that apple stole his screensaver so he has to suck up forever since they STILL have it
20:12:52 <Tekk> In fairness linux ui does still suck :)
20:12:57 <tomman> but he has been growing displeased with the increasing number of post-Jobs annoyances on Apple software
20:13:03 <Tekk> Now more than 10 years ago even
20:13:16 <Tekk> nsITobin: Oh that's nother reason for the linux hateboner
20:13:21 <tomman> Tekk: That got countered by the fact that the entire software industry went into a dork age
20:13:31 <tomman> or got eaten by the cellphoneworms
20:13:31 <Tekk> Most of the DE screensavers are shit forks of xscreensaver
20:13:32 <nsITobin> Tekk: well you should help me make a GOOD linux ui like what we should have gotten 15 years ago
20:13:48 <Tekk> nsITobin: I already made one. Sadly there's only so much a wm can do
20:13:48 <Tekk> :p
20:13:59 <tomman> it's not that Linux has improved (to be fair... it has not), but the rest of the industry got MUCH worse
20:14:02 <Tekk> I'll probably make it a wayland compositor if wayland is ever stable
20:14:11 <nsITobin> Tekk: so never
20:14:12 <nsITobin> good
20:14:15 <tomman> "living standard"
20:14:17 <nsITobin> no one should help wayland
20:14:33 <Tekk> Never has more or less been my conclusion, yeah
20:14:47 <nsITobin> we need to fork x11 first
20:14:53 <nsITobin> before they ruin it
20:15:05 <tomman> go prepare the Kickstsarter
20:15:09 <tomman> I propose calling it... X12
20:16:28 <nsITobin> tomman: don't need no kickstarter also I was thinking xfre64
20:16:53 <nsITobin> i wanna piss off both parties and yes xfre86 still *technically* exists
20:17:06 <Tekk> Also I guess wayland might become kinda stable supposedly now kinda-sorta
20:17:18 <Tekk> Now that everyone but gnome has given up on doing their own thing and has just adopted wlroots iirc
20:17:24 <Tekk> So now there's like...an actual standard way of doing things
20:17:36 <nsITobin> i did not wait 20 fucking years to get to Linux to have every thing I wanted ripped from me
20:17:47 <nsITobin> no one but the United States Government can stop me now!
20:17:59 <tomman> I'm fine with what I have, thanks~
20:18:16 <tomman> just keep the Electron and the Node away from me, please
20:19:09 <nsITobin> tomman: know what electron if it had widevine would be good for.. a standalone pwa runner.. the only god damned thing you need modern shit for.. the meaningful web still largely and increasingly works on our prefered navigators