nsITobin, frg, frg_Away, therube, njsg: Just as a follow up, SeaMonkey is back to serving as my primary browser! I never did find an update to BetterPrivacy, butif I'm not mistaken, this was oriented towards flash storage, which isn't much of an issue anymore. Thank You All very much for all of your patient help!

You are surely welcome. Yeah in SeaMonkey there ain't no more npapi so no flash.

It is also good to hear SeaMonkey is your primary web client again. I haven't been able to achieve that for a decade. Have it handy for testing but I haven't been able to use it as a main browser cause everything is all mainstream services .. I still believe in the Mozilla Prism concept as proven by PWA and crap or not modern gecko could still be a PWA runner and a great compainion to web clients that were designed for the Internet .. especially suites

I do need to get a setup for a couple problem sites, but it's still going as main browser here

granted, I have a pile of hacks, CSS and JS, on top of having noscript and ad blocker, and also on top of some domain UA overrides, that make the whole thing a better experience

Of course I told Mozilla these plans and they made it functionally harder within 2 releases and now post-AI/AD gecko is such a mess it is more telemetry than browser at this point.. well not really but give it a few more years

njsg: it is already moving towards websites as your program selection arguably already here since most people live in a web browser save for their video games.. I don't expect the general browser interface to exist much longer.. the concept of the browser is coming to an end.

because if everyone does everything in a browser why do they have this operating system

and everyone is primed for the whole app concept where app means touch and icon and you can do something

websites will become that on the desktop

only been saying it for 2 years

search is just an AI response and the searchbar is your gateway to the OS

that already has rampped up since windows 11

I see your "websites as your program" and push my "have a lot of tabs from minnie.tuhs.org open"

microsoft has experimented with tabbed pwa windows

(I mean, having the source code for several programs open :-P)

where one site per window

but tabbed for that site

with limited browser controls

and of course PWAs will eventually have to be cryptographically verified for registration to your desktop

wait for that to come

that plus the blackbox binary webpackage crap means yes apps over the internet

on demand

don't give MAFIAA any ideas

all conducted on Microsoft's platform moving to WSL .. linux foundation's microsoft dominated chromium superfriends

microsoft and ibm

decide our future

well, makes sense

Azure, big blue

and none of it is even new or interesting it is just.. a shitty reimagining of events in the 80s and 90s

how fitting

I usually just copy urls via clipboard around if a site does not work.

Most non working sites are now totally uninteresting anyway. content on toddler level if any.

well maybe a new extension should be made to intercept problematic websites that are known and has a few solutions copy url to clipboard launch a set external browser or close tab/go home

and has a report function as well to make it easy to collect and determine .. things

wouldn't be that hard to make.. ..... I think I will..

Thank you for the idea frg_Away!

two things to explore

?

1) use the navigation bar. see if there is an amphtml alternate, these sometimes render in a readable way

2) check for meta tags with description and image, some sites do this

while imgur seems to require an UA override to serve an image to SeaMonkey, it's possible to get images and text of, say, mastodon posts this way

og:image and og:description IIRC

njsg: watch me hack my own motivation......... I have to make a SeaMonkey Extension.. an extension that needs not only AUS but a service file.. I can't do the service file on ATBN and I don't want to bother with ATBN at any rate.. so I have to do my own update infra for my extension.. but hell since I am doing that I may as well just do an entire add-ons site.. cause I may do a SECOND extension!

No one stop me no one distract me..

as a starting point, I'd maybe just serve the XPI, versioned

see that would be a distraction LOL

I was thinking it'd allow the add-ons site not to be a "distraction" for the extension :-P

I mean, you may want to do both, it'd give you a way to do just one first

njsg: ye but i am only almost sure i can make an extension do what i said.. but i know for an absolute fact i can make an add-ons site..

i am half burned out on doing linux distro anyway

I am just gonna make it single application only

that reduces complexity quite a bit

and omit virtual phoebus types until the extensions that would make use of them materalize proper

that also makes it simpler

so this version will be soley.. the SeaMonkey Add-ons Site and nothing else.. no added complexity no multirepo content and skins.. just simple direct and easy to take over by anyone with /some/ php skill

so you see njsg it won't be much more than the work I'd do to serve just my extensions the only real addition is it ain't just for me.

i have to check update checker see what state it is in

funny how everyone that crosses me is now having difficulties.. makes my difficulties somewhat easier to bare

tomman: was he ever a proponent of AI?

well, he did a lot of Lisp Machines stuff, but other than that, not really

oh, and he runs a yearly contest of robot bartenders at his nightclub

it's quite curious that the current crop of AI slop NEVER EVER acknowledges or even mentions Lisp, which was one of the first attempts at AI

what's currently touted as AI might even be merely a footnote in the whole field of AI

I think some do call it "Generative AI" for a more specific name. Easy to mistake for "Generative Autocomplete", though.

frg - may feeling is a bit different: more and more sites still working in SM are becoming uninteresting

that is because the web in general turns into a dull place.

unless you are an infuencer or on a permanent shopping spree

and and iq lower than your shirt size

^an iq

beavis and butthead do the web.

heee hee cool hee a*al probe hheeee

i took a walk to the vape shop

what were we talking about tomman

something something Emacs

nano ftw

nano is the only good linux text editor

because everything else tries to be more than that

tomman: so should I make my rpm linux from scratch based distro shell scripts fully posix?

my personal experience and feeling is that I can't use nano

one of these minor, entirely subjective things

it's just close enough to Emacs keybindings to confuse me

I usually go with Emacs or ed

i.e. VISUAL=emacs EDITOR=ed

(ok, ok, EDITOR is set to emacs here :-P)

nsITobin: making them POSIX at least gives you more assurance that it might work even if the shell changes, but I guess it also depends on what is it that you're using in the shell language which is not POSIX-compliant

well i'd be using dash as the posix shell

and rest assured that knowing whether you're doing it spec-compliant or not makes you already much better than "yes, the shell is 100% Korn shell compatible" Microsoft

don't worry, use the new and improved EDIT.EXE

i do.. it is called nano

lol

"No, it's not" "Yes, it is" "dude, the one correcting you is David Korn"

MICROS~1 really scammed us with that

we expected a native 64-bit version of EDIT.COM

we instead got Yet Another Rusted Rusty Rust App For The Rustoids

well we need to ensure there is a rust free distro with a rust free kernel

(not an exact depiction of events, far from that, I'm told laughter was already building up in the room because, uh, it was USENIX, and a lot of people knew it was David Korn who was pointing it out)

(and the UI of course is different)

tomman: is that the Notepad with AI or is it something else?

nope

njsg: github.com/microsoft/edit

it's a Rusted CLI editor which stole the name of good ole' EDIT.COM :/

Oh, and the opensourced Winfile already went EOL again

what are they doing next, releasing a 64 bit dos shell that's actually wayland with a lot of 3d effects?

This repository was archived by the owner on Mar 4, 2025. It is now read-only.

yeah it is dead

> We realize this may come as a shock and disappointment to our contributors but we simply do not have the expertise or resources within the organization to continue to maintain this project. While you may continue to work on your own private fork, remember that use of archived repositories are more risky from a security standpoint and caution should be taken.

i take it as a sign they are gonna start ripping out core win32 apis

"don't use old software, it might be ooooold"

ones that would make winfile not work no more

"more risky from a security standpoint"

-> MICROS~1

microsoft is the big bad again or soon will be

make peace with google loosing relevance

nah, the Big Bad Meanie nowadays is... Meta?

or Clownflare

I... lost track, sincerely

the entire industry is basically a playground full of ugly bullies

hard not to imagine it as IBM, after all a big meanie for some reason makes me think of a genie-like blue being

dunno why

njsg: an msagent char?

or just evil robin williams genie

nsITobin: no, something from a town where somebody lived with a man who told of his life in the land of submarines

njsg: i have no idea what that means but it sounds awesome

okay, that was more the lyrics of the song of that name, but blue meanies were characters in Yellow Submarine

right

well I outrank Sargent Peppers

maybe if he was a doctor

...

lol

njsg: