00:42:08 tomman: so they were serious when they called it a work in progress! 00:42:36 tomman: they actually kinda did what they said they'd do. I'll say this might be another thing making Anubis the more professional one 01:43:53 https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com/2025/07/15/shipping-webgpu-on-windows-in-firefox-141/ who wanted this exactly? 01:43:55 > We’re excited about WebGPU because we believe it will raise the ceiling for games, visualization, and local computation on the web. 01:43:57 again, who asked for this? 01:44:45 tomman: who said you get a say 01:45:09 my fists o' fury 01:46:03 tomman: can your fists o' fury code solutions? 01:46:21 Coding under the rage usually doesn't lead to good code :D 01:46:38 are you seriously kidding? 01:46:42 it can also be hazardous to computers 01:48:25 Anyway, apparently the main usecase for this is more surveillance, er, "games" 01:48:39 exactly zero gamers wanted better faster harder games on their web browsers 01:49:28 gamers either download NATIVE GAMES (oh, the horror, people downloading AND installing 3rd party binaries in 2025~!), or just play silly Flash era stuff that absolutely doesn't need a full fat RTX5090 01:49:51 I don't see Rockstar releasing GTA6 on WebGPU 02:07:44 i hate video games save like half a dozen 02:07:56 and i do hate gamer culture 08:19:43 0717|02:46:21 <+tomman> Coding under the rage usually doesn't lead to good code :D <-- [insert xkcd here] 12:19:29 Did you know the Free Software Movement in the 1970s was really about women, gay, and trans rights and never about software? 12:19:55 and because this belief is so pervasive everyone has been playing with their dicks instead of writing good software 12:20:48 of course while saying no women around 12:21:00 allowed* 12:23:56 Imagine in 2025 still trying to act as if that kind of nonsense was ever true let alone is the right thing to be focusing on when questions of citzenship being soley determined by the executive and not congress and the constitution .. who cares about your gay rights when you have NO RIGHTS PERIOD.. fuck sakes.. 12:24:22 and if it stands in America 12:24:29 it will be exported.. for a fee.. worldwide 12:26:09 but people want to argue about the lack of girlnerds to fuck and how gay everything always was .. but don't question the quality of the software you might hurt someone's feelings and because they are special.. in the right way.. you aren't allowed to do that.. now fuck off racist mysognistisc whitey 12:27:12 BTW.. this is how magas are created.. so why are they STILL doing this and not focusing on important shit.. like basic human rights and the software for those basic humans.. 12:27:25 nah but mah kink!!! 12:27:51 https://social.gompa.me/@neal/114865602581201311 12:31:17 it is hard to ignore the wide spread of radical leftism that should have been left in the 2010s when they are STILL doing it 12:33:02 nsITobin: for one thing, some might argue that protecting e.g. gay rights is a good way to fight so that the "no rights period" situation is never reached 12:33:04 even the god damned dnc elite are over it.. 12:33:22 njsg: yeah well how has that worked out over the past 15 years 12:33:25 "lack of girlnerds", if that means what I'm understanding, is something I've seen more as prejudice in society than anything else 12:33:27 gays are hated more than ever 12:33:44 nsITobin: that can *still* be seen as justifying the need for fighting for gay rights. 12:34:20 either way, it really isn't productive to blame those fighting for the rights, as the problem is, of course, the side attacking rights. 12:34:41 now to the one thing I wanted to inquire about 12:34:54 ... free software movement starting around that? where would that belief have appeared? 12:35:24 yeah well they should have thought of that when they refused to include me fight for my rights as a fuckin sperg.. which they claim to do as well.. but isn't it interesting how un-sexy talking about autistics is 12:36:11 There is at least backstory supporting the idea that it was created to deal with the appearance of closed-source proprietary software and Xerox-like models (Xerox models, which, in hindsight, could make one wonder how did GPLv2 allow TiVoization) 12:37:18 yeah that was the only narrative until 2016 12:40:40 Well njsg my final conclusion is I and my autistic breathern are fundementally more important than questions of which bathroom to use and who is it acceptable to have sex with.. 12:42:23 let's just say all these matter, lest we reach precisely the kind of situation we'd rather avoid. 12:44:06 sure, some people seem to be trying to make about everything political. Some day, earth not being flat will also be waved around as political. But still, the point is that saying some fights for rights and support are more important than others is something that can easily go downhill, at least for these topics. And I don't mean downhill as in "internet debate becomes ugly", I mean downhill as in the 12:44:11 njsg: let's just say kudo doesn't get to wipe out my history and a chunk of my cyberexistance then virtue signal about shit he is making up.. he went to school pre-highschool in indiana.. he went to high school in the deep south.. his personal experience isn't being explained and is contextual to where he was but he is extrapolating out everyone to justify a political stance.. 12:44:12 resulting society may just end up having the same problem or worse, just in a different shape. 12:44:16 christ ive done that a lot 12:44:29 I don't even know who kudo is. 12:44:52 i brought him here once 12:44:57 to advise on fedora bs 12:45:48 he specifically made an ass out of me for it by suggesting shit i specifially told him was no go before hand.. how redundant tho I am fully capable of making an ass out of my self without help.. 12:46:39 njsg: I'd love if all that shit they SAY they go for was true.. but it ONLY applies to them and people who agree with them.. 12:47:20 and forking older shit they want gone.. well that will get you kicked out 12:50:08 he did the same thing in 2014 actually 12:50:36 frankly he HATES seamonkey and mozilla and was for a time a member of the whatwg he bought into membership 12:50:53 and hated how I was making xul viable 12:51:14 i mean you guys wouldn't go for it.. and no one has succeeded since then 12:53:03 I can't believe I lost my github account in the name of THIS SHIT when all I wanted to do was fuckin fork x11.. WHY IS SOFTWARE AND CODE CONNECTED TO SOCIAL SEX KINKS?! 12:53:09 THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE 12:57:03 they should NOT be related 12:57:40 I feel like I have made these conclusions before... 12:58:50 if you're a grocery bagger are you gonna spend all day telling customers how you fight for the gays and insult them on their purchases and product selection? 12:59:02 then why the FUCK would you do it as a software coder 12:59:20 or can grocery bagging help fight the cause for furry acceptance 12:59:32 or transrights 12:59:45 every grocery bagger must be doing this 12:59:51 or they are agenst it 13:00:01 WHAT FUCKED LOGIC IS THAT.. oh yeah it is fuck-logic 13:00:09 ... well FUUUUCK that.. 13:02:25 well its all volenteer ok.. go volenteer for the red cross.. you gonna bring your binder of furry art and play anime on your phone all day tinny and blairing while working a disaster area? 13:02:27 no? 13:02:33 then why would a software coder do it 13:02:38 or HAVE to to be accepted 13:10:04 I am gonna stop coming to this channel.. it is a supreme waste of my time and energy. 13:12:52 I'll fix the damn cert in a bit 13:14:56 nsITobin hi in anay case and ommm calm.... :) 13:15:44 Why haven't I gotten a response to my email to ewong_ 13:16:01 it's been 10 days 13:17:24 nsITobin he seems to be swamped. Apologized yesterday in general. I am sorry. Its chicken egg of the inra peson has n time to enhance infra. 13:19:44 which just proves everything I been saying about not relying soley on bullshit modern cloud infra you guys don't actually need to function 13:21:02 i imagine the same funds used on that cloud server UNLESS IT IS PRODUCING BUILDS could be put into either a metal server or a series of cheap vpses 13:21:13 and you'd net more space and capacity 13:21:52 just wouldn't be on the azure edge but cdn bs otherwise is also available as well as other strategies i have only barely expored 13:23:04 and you'd have to do actual server admin not point and click adveture game soon with webgl 13:23:06 frg_Away: 13:24:05 nsITobin yeah but to change it you need to invest time and I at lest don't have it. In short it s*cks. 13:25:54 I've been sitting here waiting for years.. i can't code to an unknown target server when my only experience thus far has been my own custom setups .. i can learn but it will take time and i need the stuff before hand.. now I can adapt better to standard linux server .. with only minor annoyances.. but a cloud infra .. no idea the lay of the land.. no way to know before hand 13:27:19 well ok i know my own setup and i know digitalocean's setup via moonchild's servers lol.. 13:27:27 blasted digital ocean 13:27:46 easy to spot a server built from digitalocean tutorials 13:28:07 biggest giveaway is /etc/nginx/sites-enabled 13:38:56 This project needs to understand that while I have unlimited time right now that may not hold for the rest of the year and certainly not into next year 13:39:42 unlimited time to rant and beg IS being quickly phased out 13:44:36 well don't have a good solution :( 13:44:51 stumble along as time permints too but not enough to do more. 13:51:24 the solution to rabid release is stable code.. AND an adaptive infrastructure 13:54:08 The PROJECT is not merely the binary produced but everything along with it.. the policies the proceedures the secondary services and the adaptability to deal with everything nearly instantly unless it is the produced binary 13:56:24 and that is the key difference between my self and other people.. I fork the PROJECT most merely fork the code. 14:00:50 the main problem with seamonkey's infrastructure is it is a copy of what mozilla was doing at the time 14:01:02 not a clone adapted to service seamonkey 14:01:10 adapted or designed 14:05:08 Well I don't see the logic of wasting my time NOW when later i may have no time at all 14:05:57 just get IanN_Away to sign up for an afterburst account hook it to the seamonkey paypal account and install rocky 8 on it and give me the root password and ip address and sit back and watch. 14:06:38 this isn't rocket science or political studies.. it is a TECHNICAL issue and I am a techie. 15:23:37 A techie out to solve issues I already solved previously because they didn't proliferate as planned 17:54:41 hey guys, calm down about rights, trans, sex and github. Let's worry about coding and the dwindling open source :) 19:06:00 nsITobin: your Let's Encrypt cert for thereisonlyxul.org including logbot.thereisonlyxul.org had expired yesterday 23:41:16 look: something being rocket science would actually be a huge help for some things. You get to identify all parts explicitly for launch, you get to specify all requirements... :-P 23:42:55 guest_: hopefully this is about the same cert 13:12:52 <+nsITobin> I'll fix the damn cert in a bit 23:45:04 grey_gandalf: however off-topic, I still can't help but feel there's some aspect being brought into this that ought to be separate. Surely a clerk bagging groceries could spread the word about fighting for rights without the mentioned insulting part, and I fear the lack of that separation may be fueling some feelings here. 23:45:46 ... the damn world's been on fire *sigh*