13:08:29 <nsITobin> Domain Renewal
13:08:29 <nsITobin> thereisonlyxul.org
13:08:29 <nsITobin> 1 year
13:09:08 <nsITobin> another year of xul hmmmm
13:09:10 <nsITobin> k
13:09:33 <nsITobin> There shall be xul for at LEAST one more year ;)
13:10:13 <frg_Away> hi nsITobin
13:10:23 <nsITobin> good morning frg_Away
13:10:54 <nsITobin> .coms are up to 17 bucks on namecheap
13:10:58 <frg_Away> morning long gone here :)
13:10:59 <nsITobin> for renewal
13:17:55 <nsITobin> honestly.. where was this 20 years ago ... https://www.namecheap.com/apps/business-formation/
13:23:03 <nsITobin> I rested most of yesterday .. i should do that more often like more than.. never you know
15:09:03 <njsg> nsITobin: surely you meant "There shall be *only* xul"? :-P
15:27:09 <nsITobin> I have evolved my absolutist stance on that njsg .. XUL is more than the tangible technology.. because you can do the same general thing by other means .. I think conceptual XUL is just as important as tangible XUL.
15:28:21 <nsITobin> Respecting the user enough to allow them to make their own decisions on how to use the technology and providing the tools to actually make use of it top to bottom.
15:30:19 <nsITobin> WebExtensions (and jetpack) is the worst crime against XUL as a concept because it seperated end users and extension developers from the same stuff used to write the targetApplication its self
15:30:34 <nsITobin> i have always felt that
15:33:37 <nsITobin> I of course will always prefer XML xul/xbl and xhtml vs html5+
15:42:15 <njsg> well, I just meant there's only Zuul
15:56:39 <nsITobin> njsg: no dana?
15:59:50 <njsg> from what I've read, seems so
16:00:14 <nsITobin> well shit
16:01:46 <njsg> We can always ask the other Dana for assistance.
18:20:50 <frg_Away> nsITobin seems Windows 7 still lives KB5044687 released .
18:21:35 <nsITobin> We did not find any results for "KB5044687"
18:21:55 <nsITobin> seems not for everyone
18:22:37 <frg_Away> fresh out. Probably listed later.
18:34:20 <frg_Away> now up
18:34:28 <nsITobin> there is very little wrong with Windows 7 except it isn't tied to a million services and its telemetry is limited vs today
18:34:46 <nsITobin> except a bunch of fucks including browser vendors dropped support for it
18:36:27 <nsITobin> I am about to give up on Windows virtualization
18:38:02 <nsITobin> it's simply getting too bothersome to keep working
18:38:26 <nsITobin> least in the virtualpc/vmware sense
18:39:20 <nsITobin> if I go more.. terminal services and less multimedia pc in a window that would be doable with kvm
18:54:30 <santa-real> hey all
18:54:56 <santa-real> can i repackage some web3 tools and add them strait to sea monkey
18:55:31 <nsITobin> santa-real: Hi santa.. can I get a lego set, a remote control fire truck, and a telescope for christmas?
18:55:46 <santa-real> just by changing the line about compad on xpi line or there something more i need to kno
18:56:03 <santa-real> yes. only if u been good this year
18:56:11 <nsITobin> define "web3"
18:56:24 <santa-real> 1st a need a eth wallet
18:57:51 <nsITobin> You do know as a xul application with 99% if that still intact that SeaMonkey isn't exactly setup by default to run web things in a chrome context.
18:58:36 <santa-real> the back end is chome now!? i thout it was firefox. damn i been out the game for a while
18:58:48 <nsITobin> no chrome as in UI level
18:58:55 <nsITobin> that is what chrome means
18:59:19 <nsITobin> Google Chrome is kinda a crual joke because they wanted no ui that isn't the web
18:59:27 <santa-real> oh. im a toy maker not a software dev mainly
19:00:56 <santa-real> im glad this still maintained. this suite it has everything where i member it
19:01:39 <santa-real> i want to roll a deb file so it eazy to install on fyde os but thats a side quest
19:04:29 <nsITobin> also I don't exactly know what they have defined as Web3 but if you are looking to use post-pandemic web tech in seamonkey it is gonna be hit or miss and seamonkey's XUL still follows different rules than HTML.
19:04:58 <nsITobin> if you are looking to use it within chrome contexts in extensions and such.
19:05:46 <frg_Away> remote xul is out
19:05:55 <santa-real> interesting. im asking ai about xul now
19:05:59 <nsITobin> remote xul will live one day..
19:07:37 <nsITobin> santa-real: AI doesn't know spit about XUL
19:08:36 <santa-real> u know santa got them 72b models on deck tho
19:09:43 <nsITobin> How do I know I am not an AI
19:10:03 <santa-real> *hits blunt* damn
19:14:56 <tomman> https://sacred.harpy.faith/users/Zergling_man oh god, a Mastodon instance that.... offers no online client, instead telling users to "use your instance lol" or "download an app lol" or "use this curl-fu lol"
19:15:23 <tomman> instead it posts a... meme image
19:15:52 <tomman> https://sacred.harpy.faith/static/qa.html their reasoning to not offering a web client is... bogus
20:00:59 <therube> ditto nothing, ?, https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5044687
20:01:51 <nsITobin> frg_Away is clearly hallucinating windows 7 updates LOL
20:03:00 <nsITobin> has someone started a kernelex for windows 7 yet?
20:04:23 <frg> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/november-12-2024-kb5046687-monthly-rollup-d3e78fb3-cd43-4186-9fc1-5b1133a72693#ID0EBBF=Update_Catalog
20:05:03 <frg_Away>  mistyped the number doh
20:05:20 <frg_Away> https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5046687
20:05:23 <nsITobin> https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5044356
20:05:28 <nsITobin> ?
20:06:20 <nsITobin> but windows 7 is getting it?
20:06:37 <frg> manual install and esu patch only
20:06:40 <therube> oh, but don't you need a paid or hacked version or something like that anyhow.
20:06:44 <nsITobin> ah
20:07:14 <nsITobin> anyone have a pack of these updates that can be slipstreamed?
20:08:27 <frg> There are isos floating around. I still use wsusoffline and a cmd script. For non enterprise customers no way to install them otherwise.
20:08:57 <tomman> two Windows 7 installs survive at this house
20:09:02 <nsITobin> well if i have the update files I can make an iso.. i got good wzor windows 7 sp1 isos and ntlite
20:09:08 <tomman> ...I'm considering to get rid of at least one, since they haven't been booted in ages
20:09:30 <tomman> at this point the only Windows survivors here will be XP and 9x/Me
20:09:31 <frg> only used for testing now and then here too.
20:10:04 <tomman> I did install W10 on my newest Dell laptop, and promptly nuked it after moving the partition, rendering it unbootable because WINDOWS FFS!
20:10:17 <therube> & https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5044356 says "Windows embedded", so i'm confused again
20:10:21 <tomman> so... I deleted that partition and just enlarged my DEbian setup
20:11:08 <tomman> maybe when my Redmi Note 11 goes EOL next January and I decide to unlock the bootloader,I'll figure out something (Xiaomi requires a Windows-only app to unlock the bootloader, among other crap including the disclosure of personal info to the Party)
20:11:35 <frg> therube. Support officially ended but embedded updates could be used till last month and server till now untill maybe blocked later. You need a patch to install them.
20:11:41 <therube> by running Win7 you get to report bugs for all kinds of software ;-)
20:12:25 <frg> Same for 8.1. You can still use Server 2012 R2 patches.
20:12:36 <therube> some actually fix things (Media Info) & some say, oh well (which I understand, ffmpeg)
20:13:13 <therube> anyhow, it's only security, & i'm on Win7, so i'm secure :-)
20:15:10 <frg> therube in any case x86 7 and 8.1 are dead now. In theory Vista x86 still lives but I wonder if anyone is still running it: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5046661
20:15:12 <frg> I can understand running 2008 R2 but 2008....
20:16:46 <nsITobin> i dunno why they called it R2
20:16:59 <nsITobin> and not Server 2010
20:17:41 <nsITobin> as I look more and more into it.. Windows entire release stratagy makes no sense after windows 2000 when you look closely
20:17:57 <nsITobin> and just breaks after windows 8
20:18:33 <frg> Leftover from 2003 and 2003 R2 I suspect but these were mostly service pack levels.
20:19:01 <frg> 2012 is 8 and 2012 R2 is 8.1 so basically the same.
20:19:59 <frg> 2012 is still supported too for the clinically insane not updating to 2012 R2.
20:20:14 <tomman> there was Windows 2000, then Windows... Millenium
20:20:39 <tomman> yeah, MS should have stuck to version numbers, like Apple
20:21:19 <frg> Next version will probably be Windows AI :)
20:21:53 <frg> License number is you credit card number....
21:12:12 <Sompi> A rumor says that after Windows 2000 was released Microsoft got rid of their most competent programmers, and after that no-one has dared to do any really big rewrites or changes to the Windows kernels and other fundamental parts of the operating system because it would break something
21:12:38 <nsITobin> sounds closer to after vista
21:12:47 <Sompi> And that's why Windows XP is practically just a facelifted Windows 2000 and so on
21:12:57 <jonadab> There are *huge* differences in the kernel from Seven to Eight.
21:13:04 <nsITobin> are there?
21:13:08 <jonadab> Granted, they're not improvements.
21:13:30 <Sompi> They did implement some new syscalls
21:13:36 <jonadab> Yes.  Among other things, the VM layer is in eight is *significantly* worse at picking something to swap out that might not be needed back immediately.
21:13:47 <jonadab> (And that remains true in Eleven.)