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28 Nov 2024

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• 01:53
  nsITobin
  techcrunch.com/2024/11/05/mozilla-f…ops-advocacy-division/?guccounter=1
• 01:53
  nsITobin
  i didn't know about that
• 12:06
  njsg
  shortens to "adv", they probably want to avoid any ambiguity in being an advertising company?
• 12:07
  » njsg notices his sarcasm dial is a bit too high and thinks about procuring more coffee
• 13:17
  nsITobin
  I am kinda disappointed that Marc Andreessen is actually a piece of shit
• 13:22
  nsITobin
  oh and he basically prototyped software as a service selling it to HP..
• 13:23
  nsITobin
  and sold skype to microsoft
• 13:23
  nsITobin
  wow this guy
• 13:27
  nsITobin
  yeah so Marc Andreessen is a major thread in how we got from there to here I never realized that i figured he faded away once he sold netscape
• 13:27
  nsITobin
  cause his name isn't one that persisted in early mozilla
• 13:32
  njsg
  I only know a bit of what he's been up to from what jwz reports
• 13:37
  njsg
  jwz.org/blog/2023/06/i-liked-it-better-when-he-had-me-blocked
• 13:40
  nsITobin
  njsg: read his wackypedia article
• 13:41
  nsITobin
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen
• 13:48
  nsITobin
  njsg: tell me honestly the world wouldn't be on balance better off if 90% of these companies had failed or stayed small and competitive a16z.com/portfolio
• 13:52
  tomman
  theregister.com/2024/11/27/microsoft_word_excel_ai everything you say these days will be used to train an AI model
• 13:52
  tomman
  you have the right to not complain
• 13:54
  njsg
  and the right to autosave, but apparently *where* it is autosaved is not something very clear
• 13:54
  Harzilein
  i probably won't rtfa
• 13:55
  tomman
  > "There are circumstances where enterprise customers may want or consent to our use of their data for foundation model training, such as custom model development requested by the customer."
• 13:56
  tomman
  suuu~re
• 13:57
  tomman
  I can now imagine the CEO and the CTO of Widgetcorp saying "We're now an A.I. Corporation - your work contracts have been amended unilaterally to allow us to milk your ideas into a business model"
• 14:01
  tomman
  ugh, awesome, I now have to think on switching hosting providers
• 14:02
  tomman
  my current hosting (whose support / payment portal does NOT work on SM) is now throwing me double captcha hell
• 14:02
  tomman
  first Clownflare's Browser Integrity junk
• 14:02
  tomman
  and on top of that, Recaptcha
• 14:02
  tomman
  UUUGH
• 14:42
  tomman
  it feels great to hardblock 3rd-party autoplaying video crap on your DNS~
• 15:02
  njsg
  I can't wait for Microsoft to require that in their login form
• 15:03
  njsg
  I mean, they currently already depend on CSS transitions, so the CSS hack I have to disable these makes it not work...
• 15:29
  tomman
  MS ripping off Clownflare? You don't say~
• 15:29
  tomman
  I'm kinda surprised MS doesn't have its own captcha solution by now
• 15:29
  tomman
  hell, they even seem to be generally anti-captcha
• 15:29
  tomman
  I've never gotten one on any of their products/services, not that I'm a heavy MS user here...
• 15:30
  tomman
  they do like lockouts and disabled accounts, tho
• 15:41
  nsITobin
  microsoft
• 15:41
  nsITobin
  well microsoft isn't in to creating things anymore
• 15:42
  nsITobin
  why should they .. they created the modern world (in an arguably better form) 25 years ago only change is it isn't xml based
• 15:45
  nsITobin
  and everyone else is on the hook for it cause microsoft is just using 3rd party code more and more
• 15:46
  nsITobin
  i cast micrsoft's doom the moment they installed wordpress rather than use one of their asp(x) systems
• 15:46
  nsITobin
  why does a global billion dollar tech company use wordpress?
• 15:48
  tomman
  because they're not a global trillion dollar tech company yet
• 15:48
  Ximo-
  why shouldn't they?
• 15:53
  nsITobin
  wordpress is and always has been trash AND microsoft has its own technology
• 16:26
  Ximo-
  interesting opinion
• 17:30
  nsITobin
  Ximo-: you a fan of wordpress?
• 17:39
  Ximo-
  i don't use it. but if wordpress is so "trash" why do they dominate the CMS space? seems like a ripe + ready opportunity to make something not trash and kill their game
• 17:41
  nsITobin
  Ximo-: This is Tobin you are talking to I know better than everyone that the superior option vs the popular option the popular option wins almost always
• 17:41
  Ximo-
  business is about being popular
• 17:41
  Ximo-
  wordpress is a business
• 17:41
  Ximo-
  you get it?
• 17:42
  nsITobin
  absolutely i just don't agree with it ;)
• 17:42
  nsITobin
  Wordpress shouldn't be a business.
• 17:43
  nsITobin
  i dunno something seems wrong about open source software as a business in and of its self as I compile more free software for my self as I see fit LOL
• 17:44
  nsITobin
  now a business to otherwise support an open source project that's a different issue but requires careful navigation
• 17:44
  nsITobin
  redhat used to have a good balance for instance
• 22:52
  njsg
  Ximo-: nsITobin: Wordpress is a bunch of things and there has been somewhat of a little storm recently because of how many of these things are a guy called Matt
• 23:00
  njsg
  github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io
• 23:00
  njsg
  question is how much is this going to affect wordpress the CMS software
• 23:01
  njsg
  some person who used to work at Netscape was indeed asking pretty much that about a recent WordPress update on Mastodon
• 23:02
  njsg
  of the things I did see, it seems he added a checkbox targeting WP Engine, and then pretty much said the state of it didn't matter, I wonder if it can then still have any legal value at all