created a w3c account so i could contribute maybe in whatever individuals are allowed to do.. can't do shit without binding to a github account

GITHUB IS THE ONLY PLACE ONE CAN PARTICIPATE ON WEB STANDARDS AND ANYONE BANNED OR LIMITED FROM GITHUB CANNOT PARTICIPATE

nsITobin: heh, yeah, that bugged me about some things in the past as well

Harzilein: I am gonna get banned from the W3C

well i hope i don't

but it is how these things goe

go

W3C sits on their ass cancelling their specs handing everything off to whatwg.. google writes the specs microsoft gatekeeps the specs and helps impl in chromium apple sometimes cares and mozilla just agrees and obeys

as google's protocol and microsoft's old internet explorer plans are rolled into chromium

Harzilein: i understand why and how I got so bad before..

this feeling of such intense outrage at it.. its barely containable and spreads through me..

xhtml/1.0 was superceeded by WHATWG's HTML5 living standard back in 2018

i was unaware of this

if they actually expect me to believe HTML5 is a superior specification vs anything XML .. well they can just ban me then

who on their sane mind would replace a stable standard with a "living standard"?

WHATWG is pretty much the browser wars, but open-sourced.

whatever argument they may have won't go with me ever since I saw the mess they created with fetch()

they decided to change defaults in backwards-incompatible ways, just because it somehow made more sense in another way

result: sites breaking because they assume the new default

this is, I think, the kind of thing you just don't do without versioning or without different function names

pluto.tv controls do not work in seamonkey browser

live365.com controls do not work in seamonkey browser

welll.. they still miss the point and did not call out that an industry run by five companies 3 of which use the same browser engine the fourth is the precursor to that engine and mozilla is out for parity if not parody of it all.. This is not a healthy ecosystem regardless of if google continues to own chrome. Microsoft, as I been saying for a while now, has been gearing up for this.

not unless SeaMonkey and even the moonpeople are not included at the same level

least they did sorda at the end mention Microsoft being at their old tricks

but Neowin was there at the time they should know .. and know more than this

maybe Microsoft should just open source Windows NT and hand WINAPI and .NET to WHATWG

njsg: you know what.. I agree.

I mean, maybe then the similarities would be more evident.

njsg: it isn't like we don't have the windows source code for nt4 and xpsp1 and server rtm

its just illegal

LOL

I did expect Microsoft to jump into "oh you want standard formats, not open and free formats? we'll get this through ISO!" (well, maybe I didn't see it'd be ISO specifically, but it was evident they just had to standardize the MSO formats to fight the push for e.g. OpenDocument)

I did not expect a visible chunk of the community which fought for standards on the web and interoperability with other browsers to just start becoming the next Microsoft regarding compatibility

<njsg> maybe Microsoft should just open source Windows NT and hand WINAPI and .NET to WHATWG

njsg: probably as easy for them to pivot to some azure-flavoured linux at this point as it was abandoning ecma pre-win32 apis.

i see no real reason they couldn't opensource Windows 3.1 and WinNT3x

or ibm to opensource os/2

i mean design patents and rights should hardly be a practical matter for 3x

they could always do a closed-source open-source release

like winamp

i am angry about winamp.. this development does not in any way whip any llamas asses its just a middle finger

they effectively made it illegal to contribute to winamp, which must be some sort of an achievement in logic

Notscape Browseagator

wonder if THAT would get me sued by verizon

while mozilla's USE of nsis is pretty pathetic when compared to full xpinstall.. nsis IS a nice installer

asd far as I know IBM lost the OS/2 source. Don't think that ecomstation has access to it.

lost it.. last I heard it was rights and patents was the reason before

Initially yes. MS and Adobe stuff.

In any case they will not lifta finger to change anytrhing here. It is IBM as in bad IBM.

Not the company I worked for long ago after school. Glad I never tried to get employed,

my vision of IBM that i fondly remember is the Aptiva, the PS/2 line, ThinkPad, and every fuckin till at a store being an IBM Cash Resgister..

they are still in service today in places

and the places that switch to touch screen systems that go DING DONG and boo doO DOOOOO at you just sucked for like months after one store after another

So... dead, gone, Lenovo, and Toshiba

(IBM PoS solutions were sold to Toshiba about a decade ago)

printers got spun off to Lexmark, while Ricoh managed to pick up some bits

is toshiba even a real brand anymore or just one like the sad fate of ARRRREEEEE SEEEEEEEAAAA AAAAAYYYYYYY

Toshiba, yes, they still exist despite their less than spectacular Asian accounting

ATMs went to Diebold

all x86 servers also went to Lenovo

HDDs went to Hitachi (now Western Digital)

Lenovo has moved past IBM's tooling and even its aesthetic and functionality in its design.. Not really impressed with their modern offerings.. anything with a pseudo-chiclet keyboard is not a true ThinkPad no matter how many red nipples they use

only think I think about when I see one is how much more useful it would be with a thinkpad keyboard or even just an older model laptop keyboard let alone that one that had like real keycaps just shorter

I can type on the older laptop keyboards but chicklet and pseudo chicklet that lenovo uses now.. not so much

my 21 year IBM Thinkcentre M50 and Thinkpad T40 are still working fine~

(Well, the T40 is a bit flaky, but the M50 works as long as you don't fondle it too much)

well thermal damage over time is a thing especially in craptops

the processor will mechanically fail eventually if not some other component by nature of being high temp laptop gear

the fact it has lasted well past 3-5 years is a remarkable testiment to true IBM design the one that made IBM a net-positive company for the world

despite being a standard oil type of monstrosity

nsITobin problem with the T4x is the ati chip. Comes loose and needs to be reflowed. Fixed in later T42 batches. The 15" is not affected that much because you cant flex it easy

Anyway the W530 X230 T430 and P50 stll rule even if Lenovo is on it.

i am sure the rest of the tech in more mondern lenovo products is fine but the keyboard .. look at me my fingers never shut the fuck up lol i need good typing capability

Only have a problem with the Caps Lock too near the A and not indented at the right side.

my daskeyboard is starting to fail well indiviual switches are having occasional issues..

The P50 one feels old style. x30 are a bit mushy but not bad. And I like the backlight.

also i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZgMAAOSwG9tjrfjA/s-l1600.webp if that was in black it would be sleek even today

just swap out the green dotmatrix for a small lcd and good to go

there's a complete one with the full size keyboard

holy hell, you can buy a new low end cash register for that here

(legally you can't use that thing here unless it comes with a updated "tax memory" chip/software, which IBM won't supply to you and the tax authority here won't approve it either)

but a cash register is not a pos system

My 2 main systems still have the model M. Made in 1990 or so and still good :) I don't miss the Windows key.

i miss having a runbox

i need a runbox

anyone know of a good linux standalone runbox

not a metasearch bar

box command run.

<+nsITobin> wonder if THAT would get me sued by verizon <-- Or by the GAIN, or is that part of Verizon now?

well there went three hours of experimental work gone in a power flash

the greatest mystory in the universe is "Why in the HELL is Tobin STILL trying to do things"

also fuck ram drives

seriously

the inventer of dynamic ram is an asshole

lol

memory that forgets.. honestly

static ram was very expensive then and still is compared to dram. And still need juice to not forget.

true

CORE MEMORY

that's the ticket

ffs lol

tomman: does google search even just on the web tab feel like your query is being sent through an AI model?

cause it doesn't feel the same as it used to.. more abstract results instead of keyword matches

I think its ferro ram these days. Still available.

how about you frg_Away like started maybe 4-6 months ago maybe steadily getting worse

nsITobin: tomman: I need to compare with the search plugin file I'm used to, I'm now seeing different behaviour, it's possible there's something different when e.g. the user requests 100 results per page

nsITobin. I rarely use google these days. What interests me is usually on the 10th page and buried after ad ridden junk. Startpage and ddg are mostly ok for me.

quality has delined in the last year.

nsITobin: tomman: there's also that thing making the rounds on mastodon about utm=14 or what it is, have we talked about that one before?

or was it udm=14

udm, not utm. pol.social/@speaktrap/113638328008469506 mastodon.au/@quokka1/113638054158860310

that's just the web tab

nsITobin: I didn't test this myself, but if you're not using that, you may want to try and compare. and tell us how it fares

wait, what, what's "web tab" in this context?

All Images Video Shopping Maps News Web More

udm=14 means the web search tab cause the AI tab is default

ah. wait, there's an AI tab?

or is that All now?

but the AI tab is just gemini some sideblocks and web results.. the web results them SELVES have become more abstract less keyword matchy

yes All

I don't even see a web tab, but without my usual search plugin what I get is heavily localized...

and udm=14 doesn't work :-D

ah US only google

njsg: look under More

njsg:

I don't have a more, and udm=14 is actively removed by them when I try with that

wow

that URL leads me to google.com/search?q=bash+loop

I'll need to sit down debugging this, I'm curious about what is even going on

looks to work - in FF, addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/udm-14

& i'm seeing what njsg is seeing

you think the U

UA has any bearing?

yes

it would

either that or geolocation

google is nortorious for that

both

or a/b testing

a glance at the Ars Technica article and I see they say the web tab is new too

random regional a/b testing

so it could be that it's not shown when there's no AI feature enabled

which means the junkier results I've been seeing might be just google being google

lucky bastard

when i said AI i did mean AI in the search algro its self

duckduckgo went with something similar, theirs was both linked to the search locale and language and dependent on either UA or browser features

cause the results just don't feel as relevant to my query like .. its more abstract like i been saying

now what we need is an open specification for a way to exchange searches and their results between engines and the browser so that the browser could put these in a sidebar

both making it fit neatly in the browser UI and allowing client-side meta search

hmm, I wonder if there has ever been something like that...

njsg: why does that even exist.. i mean HOW MUCH of the spec does it really take for an input box a couple of buttons and some hyperlinks and a paragraph each

seriously

this is outfuckingragious

[I seriously remember this feature, to make it clear, what I'm talking about has existed]

it doesn't require a god damned television-gameengine-as-a-service software to display some web search results

OH DEAR GOD ITS NOT ACTUALLY HAPPENING LALALALAALLA SEARCH RESULTS WITHOUT GOBS OF JAVASCRIPT JUST AREN'T POSSIBLE.. DO NOT SEE AN EXAMPLE THAT DOESN'T EXIST HERE addons.palemoon.org/search/?terms=youtube

random screenshot i0.wp.com/www.joelonsoftware.com/wp…ploads/2000/11/Netscape_Sidebar.jpg

heh

now not sure if the meta search was implemented in the sidebar, if it was a separate window, or if that part was just a mockup, that I don't recall anymore

njsg: yeah so why does the search sidebar still exist even though it can't DO that anymore?

... at this stage every website should be sidebarable.. given they all have .. what the hell was the buzzword.. responsible layouts to mobile form.. zoom it out a bit and its basically sidebar materal..

Mozilla is dancing around this simple revelation with their CUI sidebar services thingy they been doing

but as always they miss the direct point to tie their concept together into something people might actually like for more than five minutes

& just as oddly, google.com/search?q=%abc&udm=14 works in PM

UA overrides do not seem to help in SM

it works in seamonkey for me

but i am in the us

Pale Moon has its own overrides as you know....... you pinged out lol

I'm seeing this with JS disabled - or so I think -, didn't try to enable it.