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tomman
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tomman
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tomman
> Instead of actually continuing the discussion though, CF went radio silent until sending me an overly broad and generic form-NDA document to sign on Friday at 6pm (through Adobe docusign) without any further explanation, context or personal outreach from Michael, with the NDA apparently put up for signing by someone else within CloudFlare -- of course that will mean it'll be at least again...
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tomman
...another week until anything happens in terms of even talking, let alone having a solution for CloudFlare still blocking our access.
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tomman
did you expected something else?
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tomman
Clownflare WANTS YOU to go away
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tomman
you, me, and everyone else deemed "navigator non grata" by the Clownflare Browser Junta
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tomman
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tomman
well, back to Hackernews again
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tomman
they're now playing NDA Hardball '25, how lovely
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tomman
...now I want that game on my Sega Genesis
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nsITobin
doesn't matter
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nsITobin
Moonchild is UNFIT to do this
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nsITobin
SEAMONKEY should be leading this charge
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nsITobin
Tell me.. do you think in 2021 i could have been able to negotiate this without fucking it up.. hell i couldn't convince anyone on 52 to go UXP .. Moonchild is even WORSE and that doesn't even count the depths he has sunk to since then.
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nsITobin
and seeing as he hates SeaMonkey cause seamonkey didn't want him shipping binaries with their branding.. SOUNDS FAMILAR.. i am sure if a backroom deal is made SeaMonkey will not get the same special treatment.
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nsITobin
Moonchild has always maintained if it came down to selling out Pale Moon (not counting side hussles like power ranger coins) he would destroy it. He better hold to that as it has been one of his few consistant positions.
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tomman
eh, don't overstimate our abilities
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tomman
this is Clownflare we're talking about
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tomman
we're Ukraine, they're Trumputin
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tomman
they can and will nuke us with a single move, unless we get EXTERNAL (read: legal, goverment) help
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tomman
the NDA-as-gag-order move was completely expected from them
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nsITobin
I maintain even if Cloudflare came to their senses .. Moonchild will find some way to fuck it up..
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tomman
too bad we are nowhere near the EU :/
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tomman
you're in Trumpistania, and I'm at Soviet Venezuela
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nsITobin
if Moonchild was the fucking solution I'd still be there and SeaMonkey would be a Unified XUL Platform application.
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tomman
wow, this 3-minute ramen turned out to be stupidly spicy
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nsITobin
so would waterfox
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nsITobin
and Pale Moon
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tomman
...the packet lied
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nsITobin
and Borealis
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nsITobin
and Interlink
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nsITobin
and we would all have add-ons and wikis and infra and all counterbalance our impulses for the best of everyone and beyond..
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nsITobin
but that isn't the way it happened.
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nsITobin
and couldn't be ignored
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tomman
"Every interaction I've ever had with CloudFlare has left me feeling like I needed a bath. The vertical desperately needs some competition but I don't know how that could happen at this point."
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tomman
a bath with turpentine at the very least, indeed
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tomman
(from the HN thread)
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nsITobin
my issues with cloudflare stem first and foremost from trying to create an active and always up to date error free php system for add-ons while behind cloudflare and moonchilds damnedable filterules
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nsITobin
the censorship
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nsITobin
came later
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nsITobin
so in no way do or can I ever like, use, or support cloudflare even if they were just the reverse proxy cache they pretended to be to take over most of the internet since most of the internet is just the web now plus a few old and insecure and legacy protocols
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nsITobin
every point i might find a use for them is basically invalidated by the issues they cause
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tomman
my hateboner towards Clownflare is the same as any tech monopoly that gets in my way
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tomman
and oh boy, they have been getting in my way (and then some!) in the last 2 years!
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nsITobin
i am also extremely conserned
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tomman
all because "the Internet is under attack and you could be a foe"
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tomman
Remember: thanks to Clownflare I was THIS CLOSE of losing my only good credit card
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tomman
(because the bank deployed that shit on their site... and that complaint didn't went well)
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nsITobin
remember elon and the doge teenagers are techies and "smart" the news stories i been seing lately is priming a VERY dangerous thing.. These smart techies fuck people and people are told that.. can you complete this fear?
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nsITobin
tomman:
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tomman
In my case it gets combined with the fact of living at an actual communist hellhole
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tomman
if my government doesn't kill me, Big Tech will cripple me instead
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tomman
yay
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nsITobin
so here
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nsITobin
now
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IceCold10_
Not a single window binaries?
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IceCold10_
I'd like to see both x64 installer and zip regularly if possible
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IceCold10_
thanks
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njsg
IceCold10_: in nightlies? it's not being automated yet
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nsITobin
we're working on it
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nsITobin
well they are and I am standing by with whatever I have that can cheat the timelag imposed by CLOOOUUD.
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njsg
there's a big gray one over here, want it?
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nsITobin
yes we need rain time to burst... that cloud
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nsITobin
:P
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nsITobin
you do see now how the cloud was always a literal metaphore right.. we evaporate our money out into the system.. but then the clouds stopped raining returning that benefit to consumers .. money in money out .. but not much money out and the cloud grows and grows and grows until it is a storm and then a superstorm.. and that storm will blow anyone down and wash them away.. and I just need a little digital silver iodide and we can sort this..
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nsITobin
Does Moonchild have the silver iodide? I think not.
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nsITobin
and I don't.. soo
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nsITobin
never mix weather and computer tech terms.. You'll attract Tobins and if it ain't up to snuff...
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nsITobin
Good morning njsg :)
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IceCold10_
njsg: yes, nightlies. Thanks
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IceCold10_
hope it'll be soon
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nsITobin
IceCold10_: if you are on winders frg has offered to make a build.. As can I.. if you need a linux build i can adhoc one up too if you specifically need it
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IceCold10_
just for the record: x64 zip and installer en-US lang
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IceCold10_
I don't want specific builds for me
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njsg
nsITobin: there's a whole bunch of names that somehow make things a bit more difficult: rust and gold, for example, are fun to search for. There's also a "document preparation system" that may return unexpected results or even trigger some "filters"...
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IceCold10_
I prefer to get ones from nightlies, when I have time to do my tests
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nsITobin
so windows standard .. if you have enough resources you could do it.. I have time to walk you through it if you'd like
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IceCold10_
but thanks anyway
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IceCold10_
nsITobin: I can't do it
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nsITobin
older system?
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IceCold10_
thanks for the good will
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IceCold10_
no. I don't want to start looking what went wrong/ why, only because I forgot something
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IceCold10_
I don't build online software
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nsITobin
awe well it CAN be a lot of fun but I do understand.
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IceCold10_
fun? that was when some IRC friend offered to "walk me throu" installing arch
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IceCold10_
that was the last for me
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njsg
(lisp probably causes some search confusion, scheme I can guess might be confusing as the sole word too, but I guess one might search for RnRS too)
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» njsg sets n to 5
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IceCold10_
why are you going this close: look at Oracle/ Dephy etc...\
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IceCold10_
it used to be Mythology
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nsITobin
IceCold10_: well building mozilla code may seem like a mess .. because it is.. but there remains enough structure and sanity (or some off brand substitute for sanity) in there that it is mostly managable ;)
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IceCold10_
which is why you guys are handling it
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IceCold10_
kudos
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nsITobin
and it won't leave you without an OS like installing arch over irc lol
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IceCold10_
it didn't
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IceCold10_
I was smart enough to use VM
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IceCold10_
but I learnd, a lot and a lesson
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nsITobin
i often practice in a VM for system level stuff first
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IceCold10_
bless the invention of VirtualBox
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njsg
eww
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njsg
(okay, maybe it was better when it was created)
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nsITobin
njsg: some configurations and setups virtualbox works the best other times its kvm or vmware
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nsITobin
I like vmware my self.. or .. LIKED it past tense
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IceCold10_
its free now
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IceCold10_
or was, a year ago
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nsITobin
yes I know
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nsITobin
but .. the new owners
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njsg
now does their owner know more about virtualization than they do about WLAN networking?
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nsITobin
i doubt it
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IceCold10_
its broadcom, right?
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nsITobin
any change made to vmware has merely made it worse and taken features away
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njsg
IceCold10_: yes
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nsITobin
and dropped hwcompat
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nsITobin
as if no one would EVER use vmware to run legacy windows
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IceCold10_
there was a lot of talk about their business model
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nsITobin
like that isn't one of vmware's cheif top quality advantages
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frg_Away
nsITobin my advise would be to just bury the hatchet. He can continue with Pale Moon as he sees fit. Just continue doing what you like. The constant bickering would not change anything and is just waste of time imho.
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IceCold10_
which basically meant their customers had to find a new product
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njsg
honestly, I'd be more worried about the business model of VirtualBox's owner
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nsITobin
better than vbox better than kvm better than microsoft them selves
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njsg
I don't think I've actually ever tried vmware
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IceCold10_
its slick but heavy
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IceCold10_
I don't like it
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IceCold10_
sleek?
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nsITobin
frg_Away: you're right but if he fucks this up for all of us.. I am PARTLY to blame.. Pale Moon is in this position because of ME
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nsITobin
I don't know how to NOT feel responsible for their actions in the position I helped them achieve..
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frg_Away
nsITobin it won't affect us. Mozilla going out of business would but not Pale Moon. We could contonue without mozilla but would need more devs. Again I rather enhance the code instead of worrying or making it a clash between good and evil :) For clownflare it is just business and for mozilla survival in case google money dries up.
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nsITobin
again you are right and it does seem I have explcitly not been invited to said clash.. doesn't it.. eh maybe I'll crash it at the end.. There is code to improve first.
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nsITobin
heh hg still doesn't work on edge
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nsITobin
I need to find that patch that picks up version*.txt automagically and port it to SeaMonkey and also port remove THUNDEBRIRD_VERSION and SEAMONKEY_VERSION to 253 which I may start today after I finish the m-c top patch for pkgversion
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frg_Away
Just I have given u being a firebrand does not mean I like it how the www goes down :) I usally vote with my money or in case of incompatible sites not visting them if not really needed. I am also doing without google services. There is still much choice. But SeaMonkey code needs to be enhanced for sure.
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frg_Away
nsITobin check
Bug 1952760. I am also doing a central port for the first part and will rebase you patches. Just wait a day till I have checked in stuff.
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nsITobin
this is the 253 version?
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nsITobin
oh well there we go lol
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frg_Away
yes
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frg_Away
IanN and I usally let the patches end with 253xx if 2.53 repo. I usually use cc or nothing for central
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frg_Away
We usually review the 2.53 patch and then I/we rebase for checkin.
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nsITobin
part 4 of 1652288 took care of remaining bits from 1816266
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nsITobin
including SEAMONKEY_VERSION
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nsITobin
on central
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frg_Away
I am not sure we should remove the rdf files. They are useless but if we ever do it right they need to be converted to webext manifests. Modern is probably finished then but something for the future if ever.
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nsITobin
i dunno how they are handling skins right now
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nsITobin
so i followed Thunderbird
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frg_Away
The locales rdf might be dead in 2.53 already. Not sure. Language packs are webext now there.
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nsITobin
I also don't think the default theme HAS a manifest any longer or its some build artifact generated
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nsITobin
i know the mozilla skin name was hardcoded to classic/1.0
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frg_Away
Yeah but this part would be needed/left for a proper conversion bug.
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nsITobin
so would you want me to revise part 4 of 1952288 to seperate out SEAMONKEY_VERSION and just drop removing the rdfs for now?
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nsITobin
cause I DO enjoy doing things properly or more properly if the option is there ;)
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frg_Away
nsITobin let me rebase first and then we can see. The path traversal stuff ../ and the topdir cleanup is something I would really like in 2.53 too. Artifacts when comm was top dir long ago.
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nsITobin
well I am the one to talk to about the comm build system or lack there of .. been moving stuff in and out of comm and all over for years now lol
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nsITobin
but I am also perfectly willing to do seperate versions for 253 and cc of stuff if it seems like the best way to deal with it and go back and redo any temporary shortcuts put in.. If you want to bring proper into it ;)
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nsITobin
I think that is important anyway as it keeps options open
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nsITobin
this patch landing is annoying on central..
bugzilla.mozilla.org/783526 even more language strings the suite won't reply for a platform component WHICH mailnews core is considered codewise..
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nsITobin
won't supply*
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frg_Away
gitlab 2.53 updated
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nsITobin
language strings are a problem on central cause any patches will ONLY be additive for fluent strings it won't be migrationbased as mozilla did it and may impact the current use for 253 translation
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frg_Away
nsITobin the fluent strings could usually be backported into properties/dtd. We already support flunet but needs more work. 2 components in 2.53 already use it.
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frg_Away
^fluent
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nsITobin
I have a potental idea how to work around that but it would break with mozilla tradition .. just keep newer fluent stuff seperate from older l10n
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nsITobin
wait we have fluent?
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nsITobin
in 253?
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frg_Away
yes
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nsITobin
basic fluent files are identical to js property files but then they added pythonic parsing to recreate what DTD already does for free
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nsITobin
its a pseudo scripting language
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nsITobin
is it a goal to move to fluent strings tree wide frg_Away
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frg_Away
eventually but needs more backports. Task 9997
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nsITobin
what is the advatage to using fluent directly in seamonkey 253?
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frg_Away
none until dtd and properties are removed in pontoon. Just code alignment with mail and browser till then. Not a prioriy for sure.
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nsITobin
wouldn't a conversion make more sense?
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frg_Away
not something I lost sleep over. Too many othetr construction sites :)
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nsITobin
I am just having a hard time figuring out what SeaMonkey actually wants to keep
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nsITobin
cause fluent is incompatible with mozilla extensibility
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nsITobin
and xul technology
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nsITobin
not as in can't be done
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nsITobin
but doesn't account for it properly and no backports will do that
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frg_Away
For now xul extensions and full themes and the current functionality.
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nsITobin
it has to be MADE compatible
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nsITobin
cna you even access non .properties .dtd from the locale chrome package?
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nsITobin
it SOUNDS like what seamonkey;s final form intends to be is Thunderbird before they redesigned everything plus their hacks for bootstrap.js extensions
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nsITobin
and skins hacked back in
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nsITobin
cause they preserved functionality for a long time internally tho mutating it constantly until after 102
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frg_Away
After 68 it did go downhill. But even in 60 stuff like bootstrapping was removed. I would like to keep it. Finally also support web ext more but this is a moving target with the manifest versions. My first goal is web compat right now.
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nsITobin
the xbl divide must be conquored
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nsITobin
thunderbird already made a suitable tree element replacement.. thunderbird created the hacks waterfox uses today to make them look like something special when they aren't they are adclick traitors.. and thunderbird converted the customizabletoolbar binding so it can be used instead of australis
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nsITobin
all that remains is suite bindings
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nsITobin
no other change is as devistating save multiprocess
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frg_Away
multiprocess would be needed for webrender but I doubt I will see this in this life
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nsITobin
well even if it isn't used I pretty much HAVE to conquor it to prove nothing Mozilla does is beyond my understanding even if its a simple binding conversion .. trivial even.. have to do it ;)
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nsITobin
Cause Mozilla may be able to socially exclude me with technology but they shall not be allowed to exclude me from a code perspective. They don't have the right.
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frg_Away
gitlab central updated
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frg_Away
nsITobin just pushed to central and rebased your
Bug 1952288 patches. Doing a build right now but compared old and new config.status and checks out.
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frg_Away
I think part 1 to 3 are good and I would give them r+. Part 1 is missing a comment about the removed moz updater.
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frg_Away
I would split up part 4. themes rdf removal into a new bug as part 1. I would push then and keep it open for wheneven we fix themes.
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frg_Away
traversal and %s subst into a new bug also for 2.53
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frg_Away
leaves the moz configure change and the locales rdf removal for part 4.
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frg_Away
lmk what you think
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nsITobin
sounds good to me
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nsITobin
add comment to part 1, then split 4 between theme rdfs and traversal to seperate bugs
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nsITobin
?
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nsITobin
yeah
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frg_Away
yes
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nsITobin
do you want SEAMONKEY_VERSION split off as well or did you already do that when you rebased?
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frg_Away
Nothing left. see bugs
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frg_Away
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frg_Away
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frg_Away
Just pick part 4 in gitlab and split it
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frg_Away
hopefully all what is needed but my build has not finsihed yet
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nsITobin
the patch as pushed looks correct to me
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frg_Away
yes as stated compared old and new config.status and then were identical. So hopefully nothing missing
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nsITobin
that has been a shortcut I have used for a long time when doing build system stuff it has saved .. years
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frg_Away
nsITobin my central build finished in about 60 minutes. Double compared to 2.53. Bloatfest :)
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frg_Away
Gave the vm 32 GB
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nsITobin
which rust?
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frg_Away
stable 1.85
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nsITobin
right with the ram bloat
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frg_Away
Didn't check but 24GB was borderline before.
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nsITobin
and 83 still uses NORMAL amounts of ram..
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nsITobin
if rust persists doing this I am gonna conclude it is intentional
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nsITobin
cause it is requiring double ram to build
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nsITobin
the same code vs recent older version
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frg_Away
nsITobin just saw that
Bug 1635413 removed the locales rdf. I will just push the suite part to central so one file less to care about.
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frg_Away
Already gone in 2.53 but forgotten in central
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nsITobin
that isn't an issue its when Thunderbird touches suite but not consistantly or rolls stuff up and doesn't tell anyone they are doing it
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frg_Away
nsITobin this one is on me
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nsITobin
i don't see how
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frg_Away
Only pushed it to 2.53 and 2.57
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nsITobin
frg_Away: my patch on bugzilla for part one of 1952288 does indicate the bug about updater
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nsITobin
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nsITobin
the bug title is just confusing because all they did was remove specifing it which I originally maintained then removed because updater is enabled by default..
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nsITobin
Move --disable-updater to python configure.
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nsITobin
is a bad commit message
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frg_Away
yeah need new glasses. Will steal review for part 1 to 3 from IanN_Away and push them later. Unless he is fast :)
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frg_Away
leg gets a bit stiff so need to do some real life stuff not in front of monitor :)
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nsITobin
part 1's bits should have been done by thunderbird last june or not rolled into their finalization patch
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nsITobin
at all
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nsITobin
my glasses are held together by glue
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tomman
yay superglue~
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tomman
Cyanoacrilate: keeping the world together... mostly
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nsITobin
superglue for adhearence but expanding gorilla glue for toughness
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nsITobin
so i look a bit silly.. i also act a bit silly too.. consistancy is key
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tomman
had to buy some in a rush 2 days ago after 6 PM to fix that old dot matrix printer I bought
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nsITobin
i am having a hard time finding regular superglue
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tomman
one of the smoked plastic covers was broken and found the missing piece lingering inside the printer, and also the tape broke
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nsITobin
they just have this superglue gel which works but requires you to hold it for a minute to bond
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nsITobin
and that simply defeats the point of superglue
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tomman
here we only have a single brand in stores: "Pega Loka 3" (dunno why the 3), made somewhere in China
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tomman
it's not great, but gets the job done if you know the tricks
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nsITobin
i'd hate to think press on nail glue is the only source of liquid superglue i can find
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tomman
and yes, this is the one that demands you to press parts together for a minute for it to bond
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tomman
and that can get messy if you don't have good grip
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nsITobin
i have poor fine motorskills so working .. hands over period can be a problem
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nsITobin
sometimes I wonder if I am communicating or have just refind beating a table to a fine art
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tomman
then there comes the absolutely messy part: getting the remnants of cured glue out of your hands
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tomman
(hope you didn't glued your fingers together!)
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tomman
I end scraping my fingers against a bare cinderblock
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nsITobin
frg_Away: part 3 is irrelevant for now
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nsITobin
there is crap happening regarding updates and background tasks and the new browser update agent
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nsITobin
on 1952288
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nsITobin
thunderbid has switched to newer stuff i am not familar with
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nsITobin
scrap it
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nsITobin
part it out i guess
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nsITobin
the bug cannot be completed as originally envisioned
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nsITobin
frg_Away:
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nsITobin
too many roadblocks
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nsITobin
Mission failure.
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nsITobin
So I am gonna ask this again what is the end goal for seamonkey?
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nsITobin
what does seamonkey theoretically look like at the end?
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nsITobin
following mozilla patches will only get you mozilla as they dictate if that is the end goal just with extras it is insane to continue trying on 253
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nsITobin
i'd rather jump
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nsITobin
get it over with
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nsITobin
rust fluent no dtds no properties no plugins no binary xpcom modules chromeutils static registration .. why is seamonkey on this codebase if THAT is the end goal?
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nsITobin
and of course xul custom elements are subject to webstandards for custom elements
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nsITobin
so that becomes linked with webcompat
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nsITobin
and you will need xul custom elements and latest customelements standards for webextensions
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nsITobin
the web as a platform is inhearently incompatible with Mozilla as a platform. How much time do I have to waste before that is clear?
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nsITobin
you are only allowed degrees
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nsITobin
of such
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nsITobin
what I need to know is what degree beyond "current features" and skins
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nsITobin
cause current features and skins? well rss aside.. yeah 102 but better hurry all our asses to do it.. beyond that 115 but would need xpcom components moved to jsms first.. 128 need jsms moved to esmodules first..
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nsITobin
the xbl divide seems to be the only ACTUAL sticking point beyond RDF which again thunderbird already created solutions for and waterfox uses them to this day
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nsITobin
and Mozilla's WebComponents is based on rust and completely incompatible with XBL and requires its removal and be parted out to webcomponents
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nsITobin
rust for the css bits
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nsITobin
UXP's solution is likely not portable and even if it is would be incompatible with Mozilla's progression cause it is literally based upon a different path mozilla rejected
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nsITobin
What are my instructions?
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nsITobin
Ok guys.. I can either obey or give orders.. PICK ONE
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nsITobin
cause to redo part 4 and make it compatible to be otherwise backported it needs done before my rewrite which pushes my rewrite further up the stack to who knows when.. and I am UNWILLING to work on the mangled build files if they are gonna stay mangled
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nsITobin
and i have another issue
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nsITobin
I can't do this stop and go switching on things I expect to do something have it completed and to be able to move on I can't manage several tasks on my own dependant on each other and the whims of external changes..
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nsITobin
i hate this
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nsITobin
you need a Mozilla.. i'll provide a mozilla until the very end i guess
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nsITobin
even though I really don't want to emulate them anymore because I actually want to accomplish complete something
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nsITobin
and what happened the last time
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nsITobin
maybe I am just fundamentally incompatible with seamonkey development .. i can do the work but not the job.. gee that sounds familar
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nsITobin
I'm gone for now.
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frg_Away
nsITobin back and did push. Please check. Updated gitlab central too. Made part 4 a wip for now and removed 3 as requested.
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frg_Away
now munch
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nsITobin
frg_Away: I have this overwheling call to action BLASTING in my head .. it's always there but it is blairing now and its because of everything I can't do in the world. It is so frustrating and I also don't know how long I will have the means to be of any theoretical assistance..
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hardys
frg_Away: is there a new de beta for testing or can you provide one?
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hardys
frg_Away; win 64
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nsITobin
and i am not upset at any particular person per normal well no one here anyway
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frg_Away
hardys de or en_US later if you want.
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frg_Away
and gone again
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hardys
de-DE
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hardys
frg_Away: ^
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Harzilein
what was the last version that built with 16G?
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nsITobin
frg_Away: mozconfigure changes from my patch are now showing as being introduced in the xul references patch on central
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nsITobin
part 1
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nsITobin
or 2 i mean\
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nsITobin
actually looks like parts 1 2 and 3 were folded into xul references patch
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nsITobin
or what ,.. what is happening
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nsITobin
so much for my build vm
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nsITobin
so the whole damn thing became unresponsive causing vmware to screw up the system bus communications I had to force power off and reboot.. now the vm is corrupt
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nsITobin
That's it.. I am no longer working on sundays.. Nothing ever goes right on a sunday.
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nsITobin
I have a backup from jan 28th i can use at least
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frg_Away
nsITobin Removed the parts from
Bug 1952760 and
Bug 1635413 from part 1 to 4. Then rebased. Otherwise they should be unchanged.
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frg_Away
part 1 and 2 checked in and 3 gone. So only 4 left.
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frg_Away
So far vbox was good to me. Never lost a vm yet.
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frg_Away
nsITobin I know now what you mean: TOP-1611647-2-fix-xul-references-suite.patch
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frg_Away
This is correct. The patch renames xul file references to xhtml so it needed a minor rebase for the moz.configure change.
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frg
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tomman
well, the world keeps moving when my lovely country forces me offline
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tomman
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43376064 FINALLY, a Clownflare Agent spoke publicly
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tomman
he cited bogus crap like "our standard NDA that may not be needed" and "we do not want to lower our fingerprinting crap because that could enable bots"
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tomman
"I am happy to constructive questions"
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tomman
how about "why you don't quit"? Because the web would be a MUCH better place without Clownflare.
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tomman
> - To address this longer term, we are discussing internally a program for browser developers to have a direct channel with our team and we hope to have something to share soon with the browser developer community
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tomman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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tomman
"You must be This Importantā¢ to work with us"
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frg_Away
well supporting CSP correctly is something for the looney bin. Overcomplicated, frequently changed and open to interpretation all the time.
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tomman
> - Contrary to what many have said in this forum, our challenge has no logic that relies on the user agent strings. We rely on browser APIs. We don't have any special checks for any specific browser
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tomman
the lies continue like a unstoppable freight train
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tomman
well frg_Away, make sure to wear your best fancy suit IF the Clownflare Browser Junta ever calls you :D
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frg_Away
they won't and I am pretty sure they have application specific checks in. Maybe not directly but some profiles for different browsers.
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frg_Away
in any case that I need to enable js and cookies is no go #1
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nsITobin
yeah i had a very intense argument with a virtual machine and its sorted now
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nsITobin
basically the drive the VM was on is failing when it screwed up it caused vmware to freak out causing the kernel modules to freak out and kill the system bus..
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nsITobin
near as I can figure anyway
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nsITobin
i have restored from the backup and gotten back to where I was before except not otherwise upset.. tho i lost some experimental work
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nsITobin
last thing I was doing was scrolling through the patches in thg got to the xul references one but couldn't find the patches you checked in and it froze
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nsITobin
why does any error seem to cause the system bus to die and leave the system unable to be shut down
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nsITobin
from vmware
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nsITobin
tomman: I am staying out of this ycombinator thread this time..
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frg_Away
nsITobin latest bios in? Ram not overclocked?
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nsITobin
i have the latest .. well ok latest before the new year microcode in
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nsITobin
i won't update the bios because i have no backup if it goes wrong
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nsITobin
ram isn't overclocked
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nsITobin
i could ever get it stable
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nsITobin
so standard speed
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nsITobin
suppose I should rebuild my kernel soon update all my firmwares
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nsITobin
looks like linux firmware is released every month on a predictable-ish schedule
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nsITobin
microcode is newest avilable tho
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frg_Away
well current bios updates are usually foolproof and allow for an error but ymmv. Lost one crappy oem msi board were I forced the update with a third party tool. Cheap crap or I wouldn't have tried.
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frg_Away
a long shot anyway.
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nsITobin
2018 efi asus board
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nsITobin
i have never updated the firmware
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nsITobin
so i can't just jump i'd have to progress through a few key versions and one drops support for some CPUs
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nsITobin
as long as my boothardware doesn't need a firmware update to function with my board I should be fine with microcode updates provided by the kernel
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nsITobin
i do know if i update the firmware I will never be able to run windows 7 again
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nsITobin
though you make a good point frg_Away ram.. i should run memtest
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frg_Away
One reason I don't have to worry about on the desktop. ECC ram.
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nsITobin
yeah i need that for my brain
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tomman
hope your brain is not Intel Insideā¢, or that will cost you extra
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frg_Away
nn
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nsITobin
Rest well frg, I will contribute to a more positive environment tomorrow.
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nsITobin
tomman: i dunno i think my brain is a 386
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nsITobin
or at least developed to somewhat mimic one
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nsITobin
the term 16 bit consciousness also feels right
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nsITobin
As a cooperatively multitasked system relies on each process regularly giving up time to other processes on the system, one poorly designed program can consume all of the CPU time for itself, either by performing extensive calculations or by busy waiting; both would cause the whole system to hang.
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nsITobin
Rememeber when the accepted solution used to be.. don't poorly design programs.. we need more of that today