be careful browsing JWZ's website - he planted some anti-AI/LLM bot traps which includes a nasty coal burner / fork bomb traps

and once you hit the trap, even the main website will render that... and your SeaMonkey will spend a while burning massive coal even if you closed the tab!

ugh, maybe it's time to disown our god and creator :/

apparently he is using a "zip bomb" variant of malformed images designed to trigger massive memory leaks and/or high CPU usage, as I'm seeing a ImgDecoder thread pegging a entire core

(if you get hit by this, clear your cookies for jwz.org)

It's pretty great that seamonkey still has new releases in 2025.

gobi we try

join the fight~

what challenges do you face ?

gecko engine is too old ?

I also remember using k-meleon back in the day.

Mostly outdated SpiderMonkey (js) and no support for new style system yet.

tomman: that might actually make an amazing test case if one wants to design a way to detect that and avoid memory exhaustion or extensive CPU usage.

gobi: I suppose right now: code changes that make backporting some features harder, and right now a bunch of JS features some frameworks have started to take for granted are still behind such hurdles. And that new style system is relevant because some CSS features have been implemented in it, so can't be simply backported. For example, discourse's "overflow: revert" inside <noscript>

gobi: currently, to those looking for SM because of its extensibility, some of the already backported changes have broken extensions - I think mainly/mostly stuff that's easy to fix, but still requires fixing

I am not a browser engineer, so its all greek to me.

tomman: you could try subscribing via the feed and see if it shows the same issue.

tomman: or, via netnews, gmane has it too.

gobi: it goes have a greek localisation pack, yes :-P

njsg: There is an easy way to trigger the trap, as it seems to work via specific cookies

like, dick around JWZs site (not even the blog, but the rest of the site), and eventually you may find the trap click which will set the cookie and render the site unusable

of course, if your bot doesn't process JS or images, it will still be served meanlingless text designed to poison LLMs

the fork bombs and zip bombs are additional retaliation

I hope he realizes that, if he manages to affect enough non-LLM users, it'll just lead to someone developing a way to detect that.

also, what a marvellous argument to avoid JavaScript

(without JS, it's a matter of detecting what needs to be ignored or avoided, with JS it's Turing-complete)

it's JWZ, his answer to that will be *plonk*

ok, I'll write it in Lucid Emacs Lisp instead.

tomman: a shambling inhuman beast of a nightclub owner

can't even keep the shitters flushing

what did we expect to get from him?

eh, weren't those the new water fountains?

I knew the bathrooms were a odd place for a fountain :D

isn't it liberal?

whatever that even means at this point

i mean his "blessing" would have been nice

but really

you can still bless his bottom line, rent the nightclub for a night or two :)

well when this is all done and over with and end up not otherwise doomed we will do that..

The other small problem is that he is in San Francisco, and I'm afraid the crazy is in the air and highly contagious

the crazy jumpped parties long ago

basically we are at the mercy of a planet full of morons and a few smart people who aren't in the right places

it is a crazy/stupidity pandemic

and its been raging since 2019

but let's focus on positive stuff just to prove it still exists..

if no other reason

nsITobin: what *is* liberal?

in the US these days, probably "someone the GOP despises", but yeah, even ignoring that, that term is a bit blurry in definition

njsg: trump is the ultimate liberal liberally violates laws and the constitution liberally destroys large chunks of the federal government and very liberal in the rest taking the radical liberal step of swearing to Trump as their lord savior and commander.

also liberal with tarrifs

so yeah

very liberal in arresting US senators, it seems.

njsg: this is gonna be the stupidest civil war in world history.. absolutely moronic.. and even more destructive..

don't say that

otherwise someone at 1600 Penn. Av. might be tempted to try to come up with something even stupider

njsg: I am not sure there is any way to avoud it without just acceeding to trump

This is just... not wanting to drag this channel into Trump stuff, but... this current sequence of events really reaches high levels of insanity. The administration trying to portray things to their liking is one thing, now military deployment...

well we can go to BinOC and discuss it.. and i do agree

njsg: and yet if it goes without any swift remedy that prevents it again.. nexttime will be worse

like say when 2028 rolls along

at this rate it looks they're closer to making this tradition than to find a remedy

assuming he doesn't go for broke by disolving the congress or getting congress to disolve its self..

the longer trump is in power the more likely it is when he orders the military to carry out illegal orders they will do it either because they are loyal to trump himself or too scared to stand up

but i can't say the words burning in my dna

and psyche because it happens to be a federal crime

njsg: the liberals the 2010s woke ones in tech the overpriveleged tumblr keyboard warriors with power i expect them to start sabotaging industry if any of them have a spine

once it escilates a few more degrees

njsg: last remark for now.. escilation to martial law IS a goal here by all indications

know the shit part of it.. cloudflare google microsoft and apple facebook etc could make it insanely difficult for Trump to conduct anything that uses commerical solutions .. which given singal.. is common.. cause they dumb.. and the rest of the government the offline traditional means could be cut off as well.. This is how you stop trump and it would be just as legal as anything our president has done thus far.

in other news, our favorite villain Clownflare was down for a while today

sadly, the "we hate your web browser" service wasn't among the ones impacted by the downtime :/

tomman: can you imagine people hating you personally for a web browser that gives everyone choice?

I don't have to.

basically i earned all the shit i got but after the fact.. deff not when it was happening originally

nsITobin: it sure is, they seem fixated in portraying this as a solution to a problem

Chromium Superfriends

i am calling the new linux foundation fuckup

a way to describe this is perhaps that common remark about "a solution in want of a problem", they'll apparently do a lot to say there is a problem

let's just hope nobody tells Trump about the Space Command.

njsg: i could die happy if Mozilla people sent kairo here to beg us to save them. but i know the odds of that happening are now nearly non-existant

didn't trump create the space force?

but at least I bet Canada might have an issue with such misuse of the Space Command

nsITobin: ah, that's newer, I mean NORAD

for my own well being i been limiting trump news.. besides all i need is a few core details and i can extrapolate pretty much every trump intention .. it is 90% pure alex jones circa 2018-2022

njsg: OH the actual space command

right ok

the other 10% is project 2025

people don't really understand the game at play

either citing trump's isomorphic chess pretending to be 3d or just defaulting to orange man bad.. except BOTH those things were popularized by Alex Jones one in support of trump and the other in citing how bad the libs are

this bullshit narrative is the foundation all opposition is still using.. meanwhile trump's next action will be an arrest and imprisonment of an offical likely a californa state official or prominate citizen

pulling the trigger on imprisonment of a US Senator is not something that trump wants to deal with atm but a state official that is quite doable

i mean who is gonna stop him

and what is telling him no gonna accomplish

nsITobin: the one you phone in by wardialing

with an acoustic coupler

that's how you run a war network!

hold on, need to focus on reading something

I hate non-chronological order :-P

njsg: time is an illusion

who are you, Christopher Lloyd?

do i look like a klingon taxi mechanic scientist?

i would also add cartoon but.. in my case...

bIDum 'e' yImev!