thats y it is auto login :)

but alot of those are just links to the systemctl (systemd) or halt (sys-v)

himem.sys

... sorry

don't worry, next time...

zedmatrix: so how useful is bash without anything else on the system? or rather dash

read the man page

online

seems for dash at least .. not much just enough to run stuff and the scripting language

well dash is smaller in the initrd

its posix compat

well i was just thinking more abstractly

i can pretty much run whatever i want in any manner i want .. it just depends on coming up with it

i think gentoo uses the 6.6 series for there live cd, hence why i used it, its also the most compatible kernels

conditioned all my life by microsoft and to a lesser extent apple to see the entire system as an entire system kernel programs drivers etc .. it all requires it all or a good chunk of it.. but linux.. linux at least for the time being does what it is told. If I tell it to run wineserver as PID1 and only include the files directly needed for xorg and wine .. i can.. this is still a year later amazing but won't completely crystalize until I attempt it..

when they started striping the good stuff out from 5 like pg up/dn on the terminal

terminal or console?

console/virtual console

which i count different than either a terminal window or a real ass terminal

either the terminal just pages thru commands, and not scroll the buffer

now just for the same functionality u need to install screen

$ cat .screenrc

hardstatus off

caption always " %{-b ..}%-w%{+b ..}%{bd}[ %{kd} %n%f*%t %{bd}]%{-}%+w %=%{bd}[ %{kd}%Y-%m-%d %c:%s %{bd}] "

termcapinfo xterm* ti@:te@

;)

i like it has a clock and date

means i don't need a widget or a taskbar

i have more nonsense

alias untar="tar -vxf"; alias dir='LC_COLLATE=C ls -halF --group-directories-first'; alias cls="clear"; alias edit='nano'; alias explorer='nemo';

also the pg up/dn was handy in the console

haha alias edit='nano << dos junkie :)

and cls

and dir

i simply refuse to use ls -abcdefg --ache --eye --jay --el-em-in-oh-p or type out C L E A R

:P

zedmatrix: more bs dpaste.org/3DKzB/raw

what funny i am getting used to alias ll='ls -l' that when its not in the chroot its like damn !

i need directories first

too trained to dos

also like my mklink command

tho i never use it anymore

i did learn ln more or less

yea i have mixed up so many ln cmds :)

but i used to use it because I was big into symlinks on windows

well the microsoft order makes more sense

make link here to there

i use it to install discord on lfs

rather than link there to here

i just literally untar to a local user path, and link to the main system path

i just wanna be root all the time

would literally be easier to patch out uid0 checks than deal with the hassle of being not-root

zedmatrix: I may try disabling CONFIG_MULTIUSER for my self

i've gotten so used to being non-root

i have to little system update scripts for my gentoo one to sync, and one to update

s/to /two

and sudo is easy to use, and you can easily patch in su -c

zedmatrix: to me my computer has always been a kind of assistive device just not in the way most need but it does allow me to accomplish things i otherwise wouldn't be able to .. it provides the means to create a voice to be heard .. tho that has been sketchy in my personal implimentation.. and it just expands me out of my own head.. it extends me .. makes me more capable than I otherwise would be doing some analog job with lifting or fine motor skills

this constantly proving who i am to the system designed to assist and enhance me is almost like trying to prove who i am to my self.. because I also envision my self as PART of that system not just at the end using it.. so i end up conflicting with my self.

the relatable expression of THAT is say my administration of a shared system skills telling me one thing and my personal skills telling me something else

the whole.. yeah it is good general advice i agree.. but ima doin it anyway

that is what youtube is for :)

LOL

zedmatrix: I am the type of.. Trust me I have been doing this for a long time.. do the safe thing.. now if you'll excuse me I am gonna tell security to kiss my ass cause it is in my way

and people haven't always responded well lol

If you think you can run without a lot of security messures or them there best practices.. Prove it.. I'd be interested in how you manage the risk.. but I am so gonna laugh if it goes wrong because everyone DOES know the best practices

i think you learned more that way

and it was more fun

must have been a change from managing risk to avoiding risk

managing risk has better rewards

and learning experiences

i know like some guys in the gentoo-chat chan don't like the use of c++ system cmd :)

they r like oh you can enject exec code

well c++ is now a gateway drug into Rust

just say no zedmatrix

don't do rust

c++ is older thean rust

c projects moving to living standard C++ as a step to rust

it is happening

tho i do like c++ over c

more and more

i like php

older php

current php is just another framework runner now

which is why I am forking 7.4 as Phobia cause everyone is scared of PHP's phpisms

but I like em

they have charm

and I want a non-python non-perl advanced language i can trivially write in for my system.. bash is great up to a point

zedmatrix: rpm is being rewritten in C++ to be converted to Rust

so rpm-c is mine..

linux kernel is in C

php is in C

C is the world.

yea alot r , ffmpeg too

well it pretty much started with C

and if they go cpp and/or rust i will fork it.. it may die shortly after but I will make the first effort if no one else cares.. that is merely.. a shame

tho did you see i labeled the iso, its so that the init script can find it

yay

tho i still think PARTLABEL is available without udev

will have to test it

udev is like i said to make it easier to mount the nodes

but this has been helpful.... linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/systemd/postlfs/initramfs.html

the init.in is what is actually executed at boot time

i wonder if anyone else will join in cause it has been kinda largely the zedmatrix and nsITobin show for days on end lol

i saw last week Moody did his usual one liner :)

never understood irc channels that idle for days on end.. like almost all of them do

but most of the time LFS is pretty quiet, even the -support

book is that well written i guess

well even my divergent its pretty flawless

hopefully i will have more time tomorrow to get more accomplished

i need to get back to spec files

also need to take care of pre-ch8 as well if i don't just try zbuild

but i think i need to make 3 versions of the lfs live, and compare how each kernel works, like a 6.6, maybe a 6.10, 6.12

utoh do i have a new dev to help maintain it :)

zedmatrix: as a product to be shipped.. I'd stick to more an LTS profile.. only majorly updating it when it becomes incapable of being minorly updated or producing newer lfs systems..

i just want to see how the config moves with each iso

i kinda like the name rpm-c

could stand for rpm classic

or rpm compact

zedmatrix: i may have asked you this before .. but do you know if nested chrooting works or does it get fucked

screwed.. i should limit cursing in here

sorry

well yea mine still needs a way of dealing with deps (spec) stuff

don't worry, next time...

zedmatrix: librepo

i think i have tryed a chroot > chroot once

wait no

not that lib

wow that linux 6.6.93 booted the asus, and loaded the nouveau and i915 drivers

didn't haveto use any commandline, and i just went with (safe) not ramdisk

if i use a stripped down version, it could get down in size to make it a fully portable LFS installer

that's the one

hmm maybe

artifical idiot chatbots know about it it could give you some sample starter code you can unscrew and make work

yea looks like it creates a pool of packages, means i would haveto add depends to my zbc files

well that is what you asked for ;)

i get it for free which means I have to unget it to get started lol

i guess for the chapter 8 packages, all the depends is just the one before

or use the arch depends

just do what lfs says

they list depends and recommends

not in LFS, just in BLFS

you need to build the pool of packages, thats y the jhalfs starts in chapter 8

other than that the package manager doesn't know where to start

you're right

hmm

zedmatrix: welcome to the bootstrap problem in a dependancy based package manager

i been here for weeks

;)

in reality the linux package manager just helps later on in resolving

this is what i used for chapter 5/6 bpa.st/GHQQ

i been doing it manually then took an image

and working from that

should just script it but run the build on lfs not here on el8-ish

i think the next is to add a packager... .zst or tar.xz of the destdir

i like xz but xz has fallen since the crap happened..

be back

booted on metal

zedmatrix

nomodeset

which the 6.6 ?

yes

hmm maybe the nouveau is interferring?

or the lack of the amdgpu firmware?

cause my lsmod is VERY populated

i think the complaint about init and mnt... is that /mnt/cdrom is still there and i don't move it

cool inspecting the mnts now, cdrom, lower, overlay

nsITobin: slight change here gitlab.com/zed-linuxfromscratch/live-iso

aren't you supposed to attach files to a tagged release?

that is how it works on github anyway

those files i packaged from the vm i used to build in

ah

the grub root is just missing a squashfs

ah

and the way the init script works you can name the *.squashfs

the init also searches for the label ... i use> grub-mkrescue -o lfslive-6.6.39.iso -volid "LFSLIVE_2025" GRUB-6.6-ROOT

nsITobin: i think its a good first live lfs iso ... ln5.sync.com/4.0/dl/40366fdf0#etfx3id6-24mb3p4z-qkvujgaa-j8ze9mhk

tomorrow gonna use it to build and smaller one

it is very helpful and good work in understanding it

maybe tweak the config a bit

i wonder when they stopped maintaining the livecd, doesn't really say, just says you can't build LFS 7.0+

also the old livecd says cant detect vmware drives

kernel has gotten more advanced in that regard

just setup a new qemu folder and start script using the new iso

nsITobin: ok just also added the zbc files to the live-iso

zedmatrix: i am falling asleep at my keyboard

good night

Hi, anyone moved a completed lfs into a docker/podman container? is there much involved in this? I'm currently using chroot, which has some complications like not allowing me to run systemd/services on the system

dantob: have you thought about using vmware or qemu?

dantob: Running systemd in containers is possible but requires special setup (--privileged, --tmpfs /run, --tmpfs /tmp, -v /sys/fs/cgroup:/sys/fs/cgroup:ro)

systemd-nspawn seems tomostly do what I want, seemslike a large improvemnet overchroot

zedmatrix: think bootc containers do this now? IIRC

ah you said systemd IN a container, for some reaason I read that as using systemd to manage a container

mcbeeffx: i was just asking claude.ai , cause i haven't used containers

nsITobin: cool update my zbuild to remove the tmp and archive the build

nice

hmm i just notice i should be using zbuild.zzprintln() in my manager class

nsITobin: just writing a bit of a 0-setup filesystem helper... bpa.st/HOZQ

just call it zlfs lol

is this bash or zscript?

oh bash

zedmatrix: has it occured to you that theoretically a machine with 32gbs of ram could boot build and compile LFS including the target filesystem entirely within ram

it might be a bit tight towards the end

but i theorize the entire base system can be done entirely in ram from its self

so why am i not already just creating a ramdrive to build lfs lol

just bash

that little script was helpful having the drive parameter auto populate helped with copy and paste

nsITobin: i bet you could build it into 16g and ram, with the iso and a swap/build partition

oops haveto look why the remove failed

nice the package remove dir works

nsITobin: i am using the lifslive 6.6.93 iso to reproduce a new squashfs

damn now i need a name for my distro :)

zedmatrix: ZLFS Zedmatrix Linux Fundamental System

or if you wanna be abstract.. Icebird Linux

.. I'm a non-mainstream mozilla developer what did you expect? lol

or why not Sky Linux

oops sky linux is taken

ugggh i hate these mozilla certs crap

whoever wants https should die!

zedmatrix: just call it DirtLinux

so it can be underestimated

and it would be funny to say.. yeah i use dirt linux.. it is quite clean

zedmatrix: mozilla did it

blame them not me

Dirt Linux.. it will keep you grounded.

:P

i think this is all i need wget curl.se/ca/cacert.pem -O $LFS/etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt

plus i just patched my zbuild again in the libcurl module

nsITobin: if you build your rpm with static libraries, you might get away with just needing glibc

zedmatrix: fact is I don't know how to do that yet

why can't i also include glibc in the binary as well

you could if you use musl

but the depends for rpm, you will haveto rebuild then with (--enable-static --enable-shared)

So y'all have created a bootable gui recovery .iso that can be flashed to a usb drive that works?

of lfs of course

ax562: yep

where can one find this .iso to flash and try?

you can try it ln5.sync.com/4.0/dl/40366fdf0#etfx3id6-24mb3p4z-qkvujgaa-j8ze9mhk

works in qemu

let me know what you think

is it possible to flash it to usb stick to boot from it?

zedmatrix: it is still console only or did you go ahead and x11 us

behind my back!

ax562: yeah the iso he has been producing does now flash to the usb using the dd command or if you are cursed with the fedora ecosystem then fedora media writer does too

wait, fedora doesn't allow or package dd?!?

it has been incredible and speedy work .. a bit annoyed i haven't moved as fast

I will try as soon as possible. Have been loosely following y'alls thread. Seems really interesting.

ax562: regular iso to usb dd command or fedora media writer works to get the iso on usb.. i am just a touch bitter ;)

regarding the redhat world

oh ok, i was like no dd?!?

well who knows.. once they are more mac/windows like why would you need a command line.. that's not modern!

i'll tone it down slightly :)

but seriously zedmatrix has done remarkable work in reviving A if not a future THE lfs bootable and buildable livecd

if i had those currency certificates everyone is on about I would send some to zedmatrix just because it is impressive he came up with it so quickly and super minimally

you can poke it and get what it is doing.. try that with a fedora or suse livecd

Is this the md5sum of "cc86cc84ec412c0d56cf04f3856e8f2d lfslive-6.6.39.tar.xz" ?

duh, nm, it was in the tar ball.

Does the numbering 6.6.39 mean that this is using lfs 6.6?

no kernel

lfs 6 is ancient

that's what it thought :p

going to give it a try later :)

ax562: later never comes.. do it naow!!!!!

bro, I got so much on my plate at all times. Literally cleaning a numark ttx plate atm.