hmm i guess i should put the md5 on sync as well

zedmatrix: sup

just a slight bump gitlab.com/zed-linuxfromscratch/live-iso

i shouldof put the .crt file

nsITobin: also finished upto end of 7

Zed From Scratch?

z3dm4tr1x:

ZScratch

that will be it

:P

why break a perfectly good naming convention

ZLive from ZScratch built with ZBuild

sounds like an ecosystem to me

i just found out the right mouse button pauses/resumes an mpv playback :)

so whatcha think of my names?

could be, the archive thing i did packages just the build dir, so that the only thing left extract/ make installl

cool end of gcc-14.2.0... bpa.st/BZNQ

this may be a bad idea

but i just applyed my pre-ch8 wim to a tmpfs and now i am building it entirely in ram

hmm this is interesting... linux /boot/gentoo dokeymap looptype=squashfs loop=/image.squashfs cdroot

malina must not like my crazy activities

i wonder if those are being passed to the rc script

i am just looking at an old gentoo min cd

nsITobin: this is interesting ... 0x0.st/86sh.txt

damn my gentoo didnt have squash-tools

zedmatrix: I think I am gonna come up with a generic xml description of a software package

is that so you can use rpm still ?

well idealy it would be better to generate spec files from xml sources in case i decide to change it to something else

zedmatrix: ran out of space

lol

uhh how do i destroy this.. just umount?

yep

its the build process that will eat that space up

cause i think it'll use like 3x the space

interesting my squash-tools are better than gentoos

better or merely newer?

well the unsquash i built with all the decompressors, the gentoo one only had gzip

i would haveto dig into USE flags to fix that

i am also adjusting my qemu start to enable/disable web and ssh ports

hmm the gentoo minimum is upto 739M

oh boy my multilib version is missing libarchive :(

need to build a min tool iso

how large is the filesystem if it was just on the harddrive not in squash

my one i am still building is 3.6G

hmm my multilib is only 4.2G (mainly /usr) just using> du -h --max-depth=1 --exclude=/{proc,sources,zbuild} /

zedmatrix: how do i know if my static lib is static

or static binary i mean

just the file command

see the diff>> bpa.st/M36A

k

so the options simply don't work

for this

you might haveto modify the rpm build script

but anything it needs has to have the static libs as well, lfs has this option "--disable-static"

so most of you depends for rpm don't have their static libs

i was building wimlib

or trying to staticly

obviously didn't work

nsITobin: from this gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/pack…-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads anything that uses this should also have static libs

so anything you are passing to configure wimlib, needs to have their .a files

or the --enable-static wont work

you literally need a base LFS with --enable-static

i also got distracted again from my iso squash exploration with nanorc regex

heh might help if i install the package before getting distracted

sorry been dealing with an aging cat not doing so hot

what are we going

yea mine was complaining yesterday about his dry food

zedmatrix: you saying i can't .. without stacking edge cases .. just force anything to build staticly as a fatass binary

without the platform being that

from the start

yep it'll make the (7-chroot) env easy to deal with

when i built my zbuild shared ... i had to move like 10 libs depending on where it was originally built

some only needed 7

why the fuck doesn't the elf loader just look for libs along side the binary before freaking the fuck out

windows binaries work this way

you could just ldd rpm and add the missing libs to /opt/lib and update your ld.conf file

not building rpm right now

what ever you are using is missing a lib, just copy that lib over to /opt/lib and update the ld.so.conf

window binaries have a shit load of dlls to call on

ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

see i want that in the binary too

but i obviously haven't progressed far enough to attain that

i'll get there

all in good time

:P

doesn't even really matter if it is practically useful i really want to see what is entirely possible instead

thats part of binutils

err thats glibc

yeah link it in too

glibc should already be built

are you trying to bootstrap wimlib?

interesting gentoo>> /usr/libexec/rc/sh/init.sh

nah i can build it fine from an lfs base providing i disable libntfs-3g and libfuse and maybe add a lib.. but what I think is cool to play with is initramfs

this might interest you lwn.net/Articles/436012

im reading gentoo's init.sh

this is one of them 0x0.st/86i1.sh

and -early.sh 0x0.st/86ij.sh

why is /run important?

i really dislike the linux filesystem heirarchy

hmm github.com/OpenRC/openrc/tree/0932f…23f940bd5e4994637fcdde4e0103e33d15a

they just seem to over complicate things ?

gentoos cd final unsquash is 2.3g, but i dont think it has build tools

yea everything for gcc 13.2.0 are dead links, waiting for the stage 3 to be extracted

er this one has 14.2

for instance I'd rather prefix=/ and symlink /usr to /

there minimum is 739M + 232M(sysv) +239M(sysd)

nsITobin: wouldn't that get messy

so if i run strip on some of the binaries i could get it smaller.... i have even booted the temp tools

zedmatrix: ?

at the end of 7 to backup... you can use that to boot with... very min

i am looking at attempting to merge usr back into /

you mean having /usr/bin separate from /bin?

i mean i don't want a usr directory at all

but i think this might bite you... freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken

isnt freedesktop don't they deal with X and wayland...?

i don't want to do linux politics today .. later i assure you.. but today.. I am gonna change the book to prefix=/ and then symlink /usr to /

this is what I don't want

it is a solution for a solution that became irrelevant

who actually shares their /usr across different installs

what even point would you have

back in the day it may have made sense .. containerized distributed bullshit doesn't share /usr

it was just a solution to end the split while preserving the legacy case for having a split in the first place.. disk space and the semi-useful case back before the turn of the millinium that quickly became irrelevant..

you wont have Gnome/KDE without major patching/sandboxing

i can't have a system i can stand unless i do it my self..

and i think as much as the symlinks from root to usr will work so will usr just to root

like> bpa.st/PAYA

k

step one

ln -sv / /usr then create the filesystem.. then compile everything with prefix=/ or the special case eq or just let the symlink handle it

step 2 it hopefully all just works

means you will haveto rewrite your spec files :)

i have only rewritten like 5

out of the 80 some from cosmohill

if i am gonna do it.. i need to make the change now

before i write everything

all i am missing on that front is justt making curl not insecure which is str8 forward just have to do it.. otherwise RPM is fully functional for its intended use

and the spec files rewritten and updated

you might just haveto install > ca-bundle.crt 217Kb from mozilla

Netscape Navigator

i think this might work... bpa.st/DMGQ

cause curl might be just complaining about the keys

wait so makeca is something lfs specific?

sortof... arch has ca-certificates

nsITobin: yes make-ca is a bash script from Bruce and the team

it uses ... man.archlinux.org/man/certutil.1.en

zedmatrix: basically if i mind the calls to create symlinks and dirs and set the prefix when it comes time to / i don't see how everything won't work

hmm that usr link might get messy

like> Some software expects /usr to be a real directory and will refuse to install otherwise.

hmm the libtool make check has "expected failure" they should fix those then :)

zedmatrix: anything you know offhand?

but i am gonna see it won't impact what i am currently doing unless it all Just Works(tm)

zedmatrix: exec env -i HOME=$HOME TERM=$TERM PS1='\u:\w\$ ' /bin/bash --rcfile ./bashrc-lfsbuild

so i can skip the lfs user

and not have to swap out bashrc

i skip the lfs user too

since the environment only needs LC_ALL=POSIX, LFS=mountpoint and LFS_TGT

well i am on an rh userspace so it is best for me to have a clean env

all kinds of nasty bs

zedmatrix: gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-o…8ad17047e0a16e91c489f20d4e00f380501

there now it is JUST a chroot script

not a pseudo-setup script

yea i guess that is one thing i need is an auto chroot

there that should take care of any lingering linuxnt nonsense gitlab.com/binaryoutcast/snowball-o…s/baseos/-/blob/TRUNK/res/lfschroot

that should be good enough for most people to use largely on any system

and specifically lfs

or just use my live iso :)

does it have a chroot script?

zedmatrix: so i am binutils as root so if i fucked this up when i do make install my system may be hosed.. isn't it exciting!

sent where it was supposed to on gcc now so yeah manually trying that un-usr build

zedmatrix: when I go for a clean build as in one i'd put my name to and dist I almost certainly will be using your livecd maybe with a few mods.. because you made it exist and it exists to be used

especially to do the prep system for rebasing the rpms

zedmatrix: k i am in far enough to get this mad plan is more work than I intend.. usr lives for another day

back to curl and rpm ;)