how'd you make out flexing your musls?

zedmatrix:

pass2 was giving a hassle

but it mightof been that i was using a multilib gcc-15 host, gonna try the newer gcc-14 kernel 6.6 tomorrow

nsITobin: time to rest, think about it, and feed the yogurt addictive cat, he loves activia

zedmatrix: been playing with dash

but fedora didn't bother to include libedit support

i prefer dit

i think dash and bash should coexist

dash should be the system shell and bash should be the interactive shell

dash only if you can get away with it but i doubt one can

dunno if i can LOL

I'll give it a shot tho

why not

i am strongly considering handling /dev my self..

for my self.. for the standard config of course sysvinit and patched udev.. but I think I want to only have the dev nodes i need

true like just mknod /dev/sda1,2,3

the sys filesystem is interesting

just relaxing, downloading some discovery+ shows :)

know the best part about being me.. no matter whom I am against my rhetoric really doesn't need changed because pretty much every power structure right now abuses those it has power over sooo..

so let me illistrate it simply.. I am rage.. and whereveer i point is the machine cause kinda.. is the case nowadays.. so liberating in an oppressive sort of way

oh right.. i am rage, that is the machine and I am decidedly against it lol

well it is late

so best not try and be .. words.

:)

:)

yep from -support looks like gcc-15 is still causing troubles

oof

zedmatrix: skip 15 just use 14 or 12 or 10 if it works.. 10 was a great solid release

as was 8 and 7

at least in terms of compiling a mozilla mess is conserned

gcc as a service release model hasn't helped much imo

yea trying gcc-14

ok malina re-trying without usin gpt and using gcc-14.2 for both

keeps hitting the glibc req

SuperPizza: did you end up patching os_defines.h:83:20:

where?

libstdc++

i just kinda swapped out glibc for muslc

just starting from chapter 5

I... had no issues following the guide

which guide did you use, there is so many

most are outdated with gcc-4 or 5

I followed LFS 12.3, just changing GLibc to Musl, adjusting the instructions

mine keeps failing at building libstdc++

What's the error?

with all the __GLIBC prereq(x,y) in the osdefines.h

have you made symlinks to the dynlink?

ln -sfv ../lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 $LFS/lib64;ln -sfv ../lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 $LFS/lib64/ld-lsb-x86-64.so.3;ln -sfv ../lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 /usr/bin/ldd

i am only using ../configure --prefix=/usr --host=$LFS_TGT --syslibdir=/lib

for the musl config

./configure --prefix=/usr --host=$LFS_TGT --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

make && destdir install

for musl

will try later, trying out the cross-musl from the site

did you also install both linux and musl headers?

hyes

the ldd link is the one i think i was missing

no, it works without

Okay. You should have your LFS_TGT set to `x86_64-lfs-linux-musl`, not -gnu

maybe

btw, are you compiling gcc in one go, or gcc, musl, libstdc++?

probably > LFS_TGT=$(uname -m)-musl-linux-gnu

bin > gcc-p1 > headers > musl > libc++

just ran the cross make and probably the -gnu was messing me up

yea

LFS_TG$(uname -m)-lfs-linux-musl

I don't use cross-make

but i can see it worked, except its destdir needs a bit of work

and its in -musl

Now stdc++ compiles?

dunno, just building gcc p1

I'm building a guide based on LFS 12.3 for musl.

yea i document it in Kate as i go

its easier to copy and paste commands too

i switched to my gcc-14 cd builder, cause i thought maybe the multilib gcc-15 was throwing something into the mix

hmm maybe good> [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1]

Elfutils will be a mess, trust me

And forget about systemd

it looks better than before... bpa.st/LG7Q

ok clean phase before libstdc++

you could've used --with-glibc=2.41

i thought maybe that was causing the problem

Here's my almsot complete guide: github.com/Super-Pizza/LFS-musl. I have changed a few other packages (Readline, Ncurses, gettext...), which may be optional

what is concerning is these seds > during the configure libstdc++ bpa.st/KNKQ

`make`

or break

this looks good > ls $LFS/tools/x86_64-lfs-linux-musl/include/c++/14.2.0/

it built?

cool

Have you looked at my guide?

yea i am still in the chapter 6

tho i am using 14.2, not 15

i shouldof pre downloaded the packages

Note: there's still no complete systemd alternative, so we have to use SysV-Init for now.

?

zedmatrix, to do musl, with lfs, there are in general a fair amount of patches .. not just lfs but general software.. most of these came form juan (void) and nathaniel (alpine) , rich himself and several talented musl afficionados.. a lot of them are not really "optional" but "mandatory" and whjy, is a very deep and braopd discussion... because of fundamental intricacies between how glibc might do something and how musl might do something

so just 'adjusting' by yourself won't really end well... it might seem so, but there needs to be a broader foundation of patches , policies and understanding to make it really fly

void-linux, alpine aports, yea

for the long term. but nothing better than to just DO

malina: thanks, i had the target screwed up

Hi malina

I do the same, I often did crazy patching and it led to mayhem but it's the best way to learn

:D

i still had -gnu in the target

oh and let's not forget systemd itself

but patching is a weird thing, because there are to main things about that: it might seem to work but down the lane things get really complicated and/or potantially broken due to policy(not like oh a small bug, I'll patch but fundamental aka axiomatic differences); and the other way round, despite NOT doing what might be best can still discover new paths whcih do in fact manage , by patches from 1).

but overall, 1 dominates and it's important to realise this

systemd is minor in the space of OSes

yea

very popular in linuxes now sure, but still not important if you don't feel for it, use it, etc.

it's heavily dependent on glibc.

I didn't/don't use systemd in my lfs, glibc nor musl so ye, I don't really notice

but when I am on the pub distros, they seem pretty regressed due to it ye

But now, LFS *requires* systemd for Udev

but it is what it is, hence lfs.

i might look at mdevd or eudev

Anyway, there are other udev implementations around.

oh, eudev is a bit stale? ye, the extraction seems to be a bit harder on musl iirc (I bootstrapped my musl a few months ago from the 352ish kb seed from bootstrappable but i been away in past 5-6 months now with other irl things=

not been douing comp stuff, don't recall any of my own work

well yes, I recall the eudev going to 'extyract' thing, which woriks on glibc iirc, but on musl if im not mistakenb it was an issue (a fe wmoths back= but again

I will be in such a mess tryign to find my own work agaain now

as i had forked everything under the sun a few months back when doiung the bootstrap

it was seed to i386 then to amd64, then to musl then to bla and then i forked erm, juan's xbps and os on

all this i did very 'me' like it's all nmy own work too with my work on zstd and b3 forks

*popcorn* this is very interesting

so it's very, *very* avantgarde and ye, trying to figure out my won work now is like me trying to figure out my old hard fork of bitcoin ,p

Systemd is nice I think, but SysV still works

at the time it took me only 2 weeks ot make new demonitationms and bnetter implemetnartions but now, id look in the folder and i wouldnt even know wtf the .txt is

this always happens though

typos

I just donæt have the enertgy to "do it all" anymore alone and i sucvk at getting big guns in with their monopoly money

ye, of course it does

sysv is fast at booting

My biggest gripe with Linux now is how GNOME and GNU rule everything

its also nice to have an LFS Builder the size of a cd

ye,my lfs with my init (superman) which used sysv too partly, took 2.1 s

but once i had the machien as a lxc/d and kvm host etc i guess it went a bnit longer

maybe 7s

i dont know

It takes 15s on my PC

to boot

but it's fast, inits aren't inherently slow , unless the logic is hanging

about

machines are fast

pure and simple. if one slows that down one might be doing it wrong

this is my iso project gitlab.com/zed-linuxfromscratch/live-iso/-/tree/main

I had a 2700 at the time

and still is , despite marketing like ridiculously good machines

I have a 7900 and a 7950x now

I mean...

it's ridiculous how much juice they have

I have a 7600 ryzen

yea

ye :)

As I said, I don't like how GNU and GNOME rule most of Linux.

ryzens are amd\s equivalent of having probelms getting the little finger in

I don't mind Torvalds, the kernel is good.

I think GNOME lost that la long time ago lol

as far as I am concerned they became almost irrelevant

KDE, Xfce, LXQT, ...

duno, check their work force in past 5 years? up or down? and if so, by how much?

i like the lxqt for my tv-lfs machines

I use Xfce right now

on Arch

tho my main is KDE on Gentoo

oh

last year I doubled the speed of b3sum and zstd. I as incorporating it into my stuff as usual but this time i had to port it to my new xbps fork thing.. byut ye. will take me 8 months just to figure out what i was doing sigh.. so i kinda just put it off and don't use the ocmputers anymore.. which just makes it worse lol

I kind of see Gentoo between Arch and LFS

but then i use the pub distros and then it hurts me to see how bad they are or get instead of better

or just have fundamental issues which are ridicullus

ridiculous

like getting bigger?

ye, I guess that's a fair assessment

and buggy?

they do the binaries now finally too

with precompiled bins

forgot the name but ye, erm, that

no, just

poor

understanding

too much 'let's follow the hype'

tthey justy don't do it right

linuxes

JWZ’s Law of Software Envelopment: “Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.”

systemd is no doubt a reason, as is wayland, erm, the other one,. gnome

i find Gentoo more stable than Arch

ye those.. thery wnated to keep work force so they made up reasons ot keep much man hours

This is such an interesting discussion

and yet, in 1/7th of that input, they would have redone X , sysv and UI in general much, much better, buty then agin, that's why we have lfs

for better vision

THey don't fix the minor issue, they replace the minor issue

yea its fun to play around in LFS

i don't mnean just the base which has its own but i mean what we can use it for as a springboard to more accurately stay in line with hw development

I think one important thing is being able to manage the packages in some way.

yea still working on that part

Like, you don't want some program? good luck finding all of its files

malina, do you have a github or smth?

thats y the PMs log the destdir install

"Entering Fakeroot Environment"

no, I do not

I don't realytl use social media

ir

c

since icq got shut down

do you share your projects in some way?

I try with some of those I expect to be able to contrinbute or aid

I was dumb once, and tried to uninstall "libc6". I didn't, but yeah. We learn.

but sadly, irc has mostly old dragons which are lazier than a stick of amber silicon dioxide

It's an old system

dragons? Ye

IRC is old. ANd kinda outdated (in a way)

bordering on incontinence ,p

ah, it's pretty ok for us nerds

screen, text, group. done

Though, I like the Fediverse (Mastodon and stuff)

none which i know

i have hrd of mastodon as i have heard of tweet

Mastodon is meant to be part of a decentralized social media platform.

nothing on chat syustems is 'private' so decentralised ot me is irrelvant

as long as we have ME/PSP we are pretty scrood anyway

making amd sev sem stuff kinda semi pointless in principle but useful in practice

which is hwy it will be great but ye

life is life

full of shite

well i was on irc before icq using mirc on windows 98 :)

and I think the intel ME has had ulnerabilities making your whole system broken

*vulnerable

ye i think i did icq before irc

but both were within sameish time frame

maybe irc came mostly a few yrs later with quakenet mostly

ok onto bintutils pass 2

ok sofar gcc pass 2 is going

aaaand?

sofar good

zedmatrix: spectacular

i need to script 456

badly

still would be nice to see if i can work out how to do a static rpmbuild.. static curl isn't hard.. i know it can be built that way

static rpm*

oops found a problem in my chroot script, forgot to abort if vkfs doesn't mount

let's see if i can logic this out with mah brain

zedmatrix: feel free to submit a pr to enhance mah script you stole the function names of

:P

had a bunch of these :) mount: /mnt/lfs/dev: mount point does not exist. \n dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call.

but it entered the root , came up bash-5.2#

nsITobin: should be able to just add > || { zprint "Error Mounting /dev. Exiting."; exit 1; }

there is your pr :)

fedora didn't enable libedit on dash in epel8

shame on them

i think the first word is your problem

actually i think i just need > mkdir -pv $LFS/{dev,proc,sys,run}

nsITobin: forgot a few lines in the chroot like PS1

oops forgot the /bin/sh ln

you need -E to make it respond to up down left right etc

for dash

i like dash but it is pretty limited

would be a great fork project to add stuff to like a minor bit of tab completion the ability to reevaluate ps1 when interactive nothing major and not anything that unposix it

building chapter 7 musl

with garlic butter?

and some chives

hmm sofar ok, except for this warning from python > bpa.st/R67A

god irc is so weak

though

weak?

irc is great

i run an irc server

i just happen to be here

npå

no i just mean none of you seem ot have any characther

character*

another forum dying

and then you will cry

good

whatæs your irc server

I prefer a forked silc

-/silcd

dont woprry nsITobin , itæs not you, it's the world

people are becoming idiots more and more

americanisation I guess

are you american?

wiuth your irc server?

back..

Yes I am American.. I am not proud and I believe I haven't been free since 2001

perhaps never