malina: I am american

whatever the hell that means at this point

i haven't been sure since 9/11

did you think that people wpouild do thaty for nor reeason?

'91

i what we see now

34 years os just over a thiors of a centruy

tthird

i use inspircd with atheme services

and yeah i know what you mean about people the world and tech

i been bitching about it since 2010

it might be smaller, the musl temp tools> 2.0G ./usr

nsITobin: cool qemu/qterminal crashed or something

that's a little better

i spent too many years typing mach build or mach package mach this mach that.. fuckin mozilla.. but that's shell mach lol

i like this version cause i can just expand by adding more and more functions and they Just Work(tm)

welcome back ax562

ha, just the person I wanted to chat with.

odd i had qemu/qterminal crash on me with oom

but it wasn't doing anything tho

Your iso works but I thought it had a DE. I was able to see the mouse pointer but at the time I did not have any internet connection so I was really able to do much. It loaded very fast. The only thing is when I typed "reboot" it hung and did not reboot so I had to manually power off.

was this a vm? or bare?

I always add the kernel .config of the penguins as well. I forget the actual line for the penguin

and did you get an ip addr ?

it was bare

I didn't have internet but I can try to connect later if you'd like.

I think you installed dhcpd right?

I don't see why I wouldn't have an IP if I connected.

yea and it has an auto ifconfig sysv script to detect the net interface

the only things i put on it was gpm and links

ah I see. It should work then. I haven't played with a SysV in years to be honest (well I tried devuan for a bit but their stock firefox kept crashing on me).

i haveto see if i can avoid cmake/llvm for an X display

Wait, but there is not a DE right?

i was playing with the iso and musl

no de

but its nice to have a 700M LFS builder that is non persistent, meaning you don't really need the LFS user

How hard would it be to create an iso with a DE? I think that would be a lfs game changer :)

Yeas, I have the iso now in my tool box

the DE would haveto have a bit of firmware and drivers for graphical env.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Couldn't you just add most of the amd/intel/invidia drivers from the linux git?

as modules

yea but i was trying to get it down to CD sized

tho it does have git

Maybe 2 versions? TBH it was really smooth loading up.

Oh, yeah I seen that and links and lynx right?

I forget which one is the better of the 2

oh thats good on one of mine i think i had to use nomodeset on the grub cmd line

links has better mouse support

I built 1 of the 2 but I built the one I never built and was wating do dl things which I didn't like. I believe I built the not so good one.

wait let me check

but if i include the firmware blob the gfx should work, its tweaking the .config

that is one reason i chose the 6.6.39 kernel, fewer options

where would links or lynx live? I do not see in /usr/bin

What's the latest kernel for lfs?

6.13?

i think the dev is using 6.14

6.13.4

at least when I built in april

That kernel version had the most options I have ever seen.

yea when i run : make listnewconfig : on a 6.6 vs 6.13 :)

link<tab> should be there

tho i mightof uploaded the wrong one, i have so many variants around

how blind am I, /usr/bin/lynx is what I used. I like links better

even has which

it'll take you awhile just to figure out all the toys on it :)

GUYS

I BOOTED IT!

ok, fine

nice

I'll add a DM/DE probably

ok gonna try some gcc-15 optimizations

nsITobin: sup ? writing custom scripts as i build gcc 15

Oh just waking up cleaning gonna go to the store

need to convert shmach into posix

it is too bash right now

all scripts should be posix

... good thing I have bigger fish to fry.. i could deff go on that crusade zedmatrix

zedmatrix: i thought 15 was causing issues?

nah it was the LFS_TGT var, i had -gnu instead of -musl

what u using shmach for?

command runner

what python mach does just not utterly shit

my script basically prefixes $1 and executes or can't find it.. and it is extended simply by adding a new function

simple

effective

and called mach because muscle memory is a bitch

;)

really should by default exit with $? but i just now thought of that

also realized i need to fix my manual build cause stage3 packages won't be reletive that way

but you get the idea

ahh a wrapper for building the stages?

for whatever i need new commands are just automagically functions

it is kinda nifty

for any purpose

i'll expand the make side rather than doing it from the mach side

i should also add a tar -tf head -1 to my script too

i could rename it to ntsetup

to determine if i should strip-components

:P

testing out > export CFLAGS="-Os -pipe"

so the scratch build scripts and we have res for whatever and packages/[package-name]/package.spec for the rpms.. feels like spinning in circles tho.. but I am deff getting somewhere

since I changed it last night

good

i am deeming snowball stage 1 as the ch4-7 stuff.. stage 2 is ch8-10 and stage 3 could be considered blfs but i wouldn't call it that.. stage 3 is to get rpm and some utils going

stage 4 is rpms them selves.. and stage 5 is composition.. where the wim bullshit comes in

i have a plan.. or rather i am planning the plan as it is planned

more than a concept of a plan.. to be sure!

if i had known about lfs in 2014 there would be no Pale Moon only Linux.

just build it

aside from nomansland the only alternative i knew about that was as close to diy was gentoo but i didn't want to just trade one higher level system for another even if it has all the flags in the world

for me this is the correct path

why would I use suse or gentoo or anything over Windows.. unless... i could do it my self and make changes as I see fit.. that and the windows ecosystem like most are dying a slow death and of course it was all a cage anyway.. and a very good cage for a good while..

but a cage never the less with false freedoms and illusions about development

ok this is where things could get dicey, the chapter 6 packages

sofar no prob with m4 or ncurses

ok recommended to use bash-5.3-rc2 with musl and gcc-15.1

i little bump in gcc-15 and make

my holiday started today. my goal is to get lfs up and running before i start working again :P but well well, we'll see

bbl

quitman, it depends on cpu power (how fast will the compiler run), your accuracy (how often you'll need to start over) and endurance (when get bored ;-) )

quitman: to build LFS by the book wont take too much time its how much you want to spend building LFS :)

sup Moody ?

well, nowadays, a LFS build is a matter of a few hours. I know the days doing LFS on a 486DX, the kernel alone took many hours, as well as gcc and such beasts

yea i hope building the final gcc/binutils/musl will be too

Moody: the livecd is nice, still needs a bit of .config tweaking but having it at <700mb is nice

welcome back ax562 :)

Sup zed? How goes it?

just built gcc-15.1-musl, tho its upto end of chapter 7, just a bump at make with 3 minor patches

also i built 5-7 as root :)

what are the benefits of gcc-musl vs gcc?

It be nice if they told us what "musl" stands for. Multi use system libraries?

dunno, just something new... musl.libc.org

yeah, that's what I was reading earlier. You would think they would at least mention what "musl" stands for. Their wiki doesn't mention either.

yea i didn't see anything in the wiki either

so why use musl?

just something new to try with LFS

have you noticed any performance difference?

i just compressed the temptools at 550M, so i haveto go back to see if its different from one of my backups

the multilib temp tools is 1.2G

bbl

it's my linux and i want it now!