hai tonymec|away

well never let it be said I don't suffer for my craft.. my wrist and hand hurt like hell hard to flex and twist ut

deff gonna hamper efficiency

i'd go to the er but what are they gonna do for a couple of tendons spasming in your wristhand.. they ain't gonna give me drugs at most they will wrap it up and say try and don't use it.. well i already know that

and do that

There is only Seamonkey!

SeaMonkey*

yo!

let's check if Clownflare is still blocking us today...

another day another agrument with mozilla.. i am removing element.. I can't trust my self not to just call out their bullshit whenever i see it best to just get rid of it..

nope, Turnstile still broken

There all gone.. I didn't need their help for 8 years I don't need it now.

tomman: anything i can test here for you?

Go here: romhacking.net/translations then click on any page number of the results list (or just Next)

that will trigger Clownflare's crap

the captcha never shows here, all I get is a blank space

ah hah

last time they blocked us, at least it did showed, but gave an error when you ticked the checkbox

this time no checkbox, nothing renders at all, just a "Verify you're human by doing this" page with nothing in the middle

ok unrelated but we MUST get prefers-color-scheme in

that does break sites

the console reveals nothing interesting, except for a blank log entry that CLEARS the console when opened!

oh look

I THINK it IS because sm doesn't have prefers-color-scheme

Timestamp: 7/22/24, 09:49:09 CDT

Warning: Expected media feature name but found ‘prefers-color-scheme’.

Source File: from DOM

Line: 0, Column: 1

Source Code:

(prefers-color-scheme: dark)

that could be fucking up js execution

checking failmoon

works in Pale Moon

i seriously think js code is checking for prefers color scheme and it is getting an erronious response back

and then the verification doesn't load

HOWEVER in the background it DID try and eventually load it but then just cleared and refreshed instead

getting this too dunno if it is related Timestamp: 7/22/24, 09:53:14 CDT

Error: Error: We have already registered a distinct blocker with the same name: ReleasingTimerHolder

Source File: jar:file:///usr/lib64/seamonkey/omni.ja!/components/nsAsyncShutdown.js

Line: 114

hey, now that you mention that, I fired up the browser global error console, and saw those two things you're talking about

I am almost CERTAIN the current cf issues are due to not supporting prefers-color-scheme

BinOC -> xulorg -> Pale Moon Respositories -> UXP

Advertencia: Expected media feature name but found 'prefers-color-scheme'.

i could have used the bookmark but lol

(prefers-color-scheme: dark)

Error: Error: We have already registered a distinct blocker with the same name: ReleasingTimerHolder

Archivo fuente: jar:file:///opt/seamonkey/omni.ja!/components/nsAsyncShutdown.js

Línea: 114

already pasted it

but ye

both get reliably logged there on that Clownflare failed challenge page

tomman: do you get the checkbox, or something else?

there is a political joke in there but I'll let someone else make it

tomman: last I checked I seemed to be getting something alternative but it still didn't load

its blank sits tries to load and gives up until it tries again

njsg: I get a blank space where a captcha should be

this time it might have been they demanding webgl, but I can't enable that here, and didn't have time to test on a machine where I can enable it

nsITobin: I also see references to forced-colors, prefers-contrast and prefers-reduced-motion

0722|15:55:56 <+nsITobin> I am almost CERTAIN the current cf issues are due to not supporting prefers-color-scheme <-- okay, that'd be beyond stupid, but this is cloudflare we're talking about.

also, apparently @media(width <= 720px) also shows an error

UXP Issue 1752 Implement "prefers-color-scheme" repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProducti…a91fb032149131087ce24fbba886c53ee18

unless the media queries are bugged

tomman: okay, that blank space is the same I got last I checked

in the name of all the 151 original Pokeymanz, what the hell has obscure CSS features to do with "the security of your connection"!?}

it sounded like they had solved it for pale moon and I just assumed it required webgl

GO DIE IN A FIRE CLOWNFLARE

So basically the checkbox MIGHT be there

so maybe it actually requires prefer-color-scheme? does PaleMoon have that?

just... invisible?

our impl is superior to Mozilla's and simpler

njsg: you're behind by like 2 minutes lol

nsITobin: it's hard to keep along reading the backlog, sorry

I almost feel like I'm a terminal sending XOFF to the channel :-P

njsg: don't applogize i was kidding

nope, inspecting the space only shows 3 nested DIVs

tomman: allow me to correct your cursing

one has "turnstile-wrapper" as ID

tomman: go install crowdstrike software, cloudflare!

tomman: devtools will have to be used cause dom manipulation

view source will only show what it initally gives

But the innermost div is EMPTY

so nope, the checkbox never gets rendered

but no script error gets logged

it's dynamically loaded

it is like CF gave up much earlier, yes

WAIT}

it came up eventually!

I ticked it... and...

...it kept spinning and spinning and spinning

did it?

...blank again

it did came up on its own after a LONG time

cause it spun and never came up and reblanked for me

didn't dicked with the inspector at all

maybe the code has a timeout fallback

but after checking it, I got the spinner, and eventually it blanked itself again

it might even be that the timeout just reinstates turnstile, and that you're supposed to get a captcha instead

no luck with a palemoon UA string, just in case they whitelisted it by hand?

yeah, it comes up again after ~2 minutes or so

tick the box, it keeps spinning...

and... blanks again after 15 seconds or so

the dev console logs a Invalid Object error with some fancy printing

behavior changed a bit - the spinner kept spinning for longer this time

then page reloaded

and I got a warning "it's taking too much time, reload the page"

OK, now I can trigger the checkbox to appear if I mouse over with the Inspector

njsg: near as I can tell the UXP patch alignment issues aside should be applicable to seamonkey that would at least answer the question if this is it and if frg needs to prioritize the mozpatches or whatnot i'd expect anyway

finally, after several attempts and threatening with the inspector, Clownflare Police cleared me to continue

this is insanity

the UXP impl is simpler and pref based and allows for disabling it for reasons.

no properties were toggled, no scripts were touched

Clownflare simply... let me continue after minutes of dicking with the Inspector

devtools or domi?

devtools

but the last two times I got the checkbox to render, it "magically" came up after pointing at the empty space with the Inspector

that's... weird

i hope to do some advancements to DOMi eventually

almost like Clownflare is dicking with my sanity, which is certainly what they were doing

well the whole process is just to see how much people will tollerate

cause there is no objective answer

can't wait until Clownflare has its own Clownstrike Moment™ and goes under faster than a turd in my toilet when being flushed down

but for now...

"major web browsers"

Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Chrome, Chrome, and Safari.

they are dictating access to a vast majority of the web

why is this okay

Challenges are not supported by Microsoft Internet Explorer.

ha, they still believe IE is a major browser, at least

it is

but not trident

lol

edge is just ie'd chrome

except worse

frankly I prefer IE over Chrome

but I prefer realzilla over chrome

Borealis isn't passing either

and it has prefers-color-scheme

but that may be UA sniffing

this can be big, it is possible they are shifting from a "we support most browsers through fallbacks" to a "we only support chromium-like browsers with very recent features" approach without being explicit about it. Someone else did point towards that, I forget where that was.

njsg: that is so much better phrased than what I said ;)

ah, so it was you. sorry, memory and stress might not mix so well

njsg: i been saying it for years

but I am sure others have too

njsg: we have to find ways to de-stress

I'll write a utility for that, and I'll call it something short

decss

"If you have browser extensions, they might lead to unpassable challenge loops. To fix, disable your extensions and reload the page."

adblockers

largely

so not only Chrome, but Pure Unmodified And Unadulterated Chrome

but yeah war on extensions period will come sooner or later

I thought War on Extensions was already in full strength since Google decided "adblockers are a threat against our business"

modifing the JS or content of a page is a security issue you see

it's not extensions, I got the failure (albeit that was a week or so ago...) in a separate profile that doesn't feature an ad blocker or noscript

not that it'd be wise for CloudFlare to make that a problem

tomman: good thing Mozilla didn't copy Google there

dammit, what was that. Oh, the sound of the sarcasm reserve depleting.

and that's how we got the Boeing 737 MAX

now, to be fair, if we let Clownflare and Google decide what types of airplanes would be allowed at airports, they would have driven the entire industry bankrupt overnight, because "any type older than 10 years is not allowed to fly"

...OK, maybe Airbus would have survived because the EU would have challenged them in courts, so the A350 would be allowed to fly... in Europe only

well i guess I should clean up my environment so i cna build seamonkey with that patch

see if it halps

also mozilla-central/4739353088fc

mozilla's version was done in stylo

UXP's is in nsLayout

well nsStyle

no its...

i dunno it isn't as good lol

tomman: don't mind me as I taxy this rolls-royce to the gate...

well, at least a Silver Phantom breaks far less than a Trent

an interesting technology, for a different age

I think it was described as being actually quite low on consumption for the speed, it's just that there's a sweeter spot on the usual top speed for airliners

still, IIRC, a few military jets couldn't sustain the same speed without wet thrust, while four of these would fly the aircraft on dry thrust at cruise altitude

njsg: what's the difference between wet and dry thrust?

nsITobin: non-efficient use of fuel for further thrust, with afterburner, the engines are designed in a way they can provide the thrust for that cruise speed efficiently from the fuel, but other parts of the flight, I think at least takeoff and trans-sonic climb need more thrust and so these stages do afterburning

ah

I think there was actually a design proposed that'd have gotten rid of this need, with a different shape that reduced drag and perhaps something else too to the point where it didn't need so much fuel, and was lighter and could work without afterburners

and also reduced the sonic boom, which would have opened a bunch of new routes for the aircraft

(it was pretty much limited to journeys like transatlantic so that it'd not cruise over land, *and* also had a somewhat limited range that I think was also not enough for the pacific, but I might be misremembering here)

*** failed to import extension "evolve"

hgext3rd yeah it is a t3rd

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cannot be a cat, so please remove the 3 year old kid from the keyboard, please~

Occures to me I don't need a persistant connected client if the logbot is a thing

which means only ONE instance of Tobin allowed.

lol

and I'm it.

nsITobin as long as you didn't post your password UGGHGH... 30 minutes ago

sorry yeah I had to boot to windows because can;t find six and i am NOT in the mood to bash against linux.. I am in test a patch and see if it helps kinda mood lol

nsITobin np. Just wan't sure if you posted a password

and now sleep

rest well