Good morning #SeaMonkey

nsITobin hi

what's new

2.53.20b1 done.

yay, what

what's new in 2.53.20b1?

lol

Not much for webcompat. Basically the current 2.53.21b1 pre. Just needed fixes and more groudwork. Till I finish wip still frustarting with ne site.

you mentioned you were gonna hard commit a lot into the hg repo from the queue

Linux system requirements are picked up from Rocky 8 so not sure if IanN_Away wants to redo it on Cent OS 7

nsITobin done about 1100 patch less in the queue.

^patches

uhh

that doesn't look right

where's the REST of it?!

WEBTOOLS IS GONE

the sync server

mxr

the WEAVE sync server

and keyserver

all the side repos are gona

and the other stuff probably gone or not exposed here.

ldap

dom inspector

venkman

... and I don't HAVE the bundles

it's not on their github org

domi history is in our repo

i don't think my hg repo contains said history.. I DO have a VERSION of the MXR repo with history but its archived away somewhere and also accidently has a now non-important credental accidently commited to it.. so i guess least I have that if I can find it..

my git repo*

well on my closed down gogs instance thereisonlyxul has been duitfully syncing commits and producing an activity log ;)

nope my git repo for inspector does not have hg history

least I have this

MCP had the weave-keyserver but neither of us have the python weave server impl just the PHP one.

we've also lost the htmlparser hg repo

so have to do it by bug instead of by need

checked the FORMER BinOC RPMO org at repo.palemoon.org/robinson-crusoe most of my old repos are hidden away and a few of those should have been removed or made private by a former hostile agreement.. there is a lot more on RPMO that was archived from Mozilla because it was me who did it but none of it is exposed anymore and i doubt THEY are disposed to let any project let alone me have any advantage.

though the large GRAVEYARD was on github

gone now

i mean its not THAT critically important on any kind of regular basis but there have been times when the answer was deep in some irrelevant looking change from years ago..

also i have to admit fault for NOT anticipating they would gut HG before shutting it down.

i figured announce shutdown grab shit and go.. but no its an active PROGRESSIVE process so yeah miscalculation..

least atbn isn't updated yet.. still a chance to scrape

should be much simpler than the 19 thousand i had to manage last time

aeromotors.fi seems to also be using Cloudflare and its ddos prevention system doesn't let SeaMonkey through

Sompi: does it let Pale Moon through?

i mean all they have to do to really shut seamonkey down is target the more obscure parts of customelements

as the barrior for access

seamonkey doesn't show errors in console

almost every website seems to have that DDOS prevention now

Cloudflare, blocking and co-oping independant Mozilla development since 2016.

2015 for me cause trying to code a PHP system to do what no one outside Mozilla has done behind a caching proxy was HELL

it's even harder to test if sql is vulnerable to injection when 800 preset firewall rules prevent it

but of course those 800 rules wouldn't stop a CRAFTED attack

it gives an IP-level ban after trying to access the page with SeaMonkey

and that's also clownflare

yes

that means that it is ridiculously easy to get an IP-level ban for several CGNAT IP addresses in a very short time

seems that firefox actually also triggers that IP ban

I've been searching my archives .. it has depressed me quite a bit

Sompi: firefox the firefox or xulfox

22:28 < Lumpio-> "X11; Linux" on kielletty osa User-agentia

so apparently clownflare now gives an IP-level ban to everyone who has "X11; Linux" in their user-agent string

Sompi: well THAT'S the UA of a thoughtcriminal.. linux.. and x11 on top of that

OH MY GOD

add a whitespace (for example "X11 ; Linux") and it starts working correctly

what conspiracy shit have i stepped into now

i was banned for being anti-wayland

by waylandists and kudo

i guess we have to FAKE wayland now

denying the internet to X11 users

that's just...

very specific

what does X11 have to do with the web

... oh right

compositing and DE-level hosting of a web engine

you know.. i just get to feeling like MAYBE THERE ISN'T A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST X11 and WAYLAND is only going because most human's simply can't deal with more than one thing.. but then we have this global assult on said users.

it didn't require this for that..

and then I stop bying oh you're just a crazy fuck.. yeah AND there is a an OFFENSIVE push on the GLOBAL INTERNET since the web is pretty much all the internet is now to EXCLUDE x11 users.

Wayland, Rust, UEFI, Secure Boot, mobile apps etc, it's always the same people coercing everyone else into using those

nsITobin: Wayland isn't even a thing in other POSIX compatibles. Only Linux.

it is insane to discount the logic of me being somewhat crazed and ALSO being right.

well it also took my friend away

as well

honestly the whole thing has cost many friends but many of them were terrible people giving me bad advice cause I am starved for it.

I may have a FORM of MDN from 2014ish but i dunno how useable it is.. i do have the archived mdn content removed in the great xul purge

it's incredible how many people openly discriminate against everyone who doesn't use proprietary communication things like discord, snapchat, whatsapp and so on

and isolate them from other people

it's a dick move

and also weird when people who are supposed to be "adults" do so

it's so similar to the bullying that was done in primary school

but suddenly it is normal that 30 year olds behave like that too

Sompi: know how hard it is to recreate part of a song from like 6 year old screenshots of FL studio and all i have with an identifable pie-anna roll is the second variation of the lead and the entire bass line.. the first loop of the lead instrament has a bit more florish than the second loop i have..

and I don't understand music theory

but BinOC needs an updated theme song cause somehow that got established as a thing Binary Outcast has as a leftover from when I didn't do videos.

Sompi: i.ibb.co/55qqxj0/image.png

I understand those notes but it sounds boring in my head

well its like I ALMOST understand but I am missing a piece of the puzzle..

I mean I was able to sequence this out in 2015-2017 cause I stopped half way

2016..

i dislike 2016 for many reasons more today than I did at the time

if I had to I suppose I could TRY and load up old flstudio and export the notes to midi then start a new version based on that but I fear I will make similar decisions then.. The BinOC Theme has had three versions the first two in 2010 and a revision in 2011 by the composer of the song.. my version retained sound effects the lead and the bass line and changed everything else.. Sounds like me.

Seems that ClownFlare also considers "X11; Ubuntu; Linux" bad...

Google search "cloudflare bans x11 linux" gives me more results

Over here the same weird deal with Clownflare Turnstile craptchas continue

they will not render at all unless I threaten them with the Inspector

then they usually work at the first try

(just tested with one at SteamDB, where it's easy to spot the white box where the checkbox should render on a blue background page)

yeah, and there is no errors in the console and SeaMonkey seems to support everything just fine

dunno what the hell the inspector triggers, but it has been reliably working that way for months now

yup

Many web pages nowadays work differently if the browser console is opened, or completely stop working at all

Oh, I recently found a particularly evil case

It's probably some JavaScript library that does that... I wonder how hard it must be to use those libraries for anything because it will be practically impossible to debug

some filelocker service (Terabox?) that KILLS the page if you ever DARE firing up the devtools

KILLS as in it destroys the DOM and redirects to about:blank

doesn't even give you a chance to pause scripts or whatever

(this is a site with particularly aggressive scripts for ads and video autoplay, and that requires extracting cookies surgically if you want to download the files with tools other than a web browser)

with that "verify you are human" captcha CloudFlare probably relies to some undefined behaviour in Firefox (as I have written before)

for comparison: Mega will just redirect you to "why not Chrome dude?" error pages, and Mediafire will work fine (aside of the ads); both sites work fine on 3rd party downloaders like JDownloader

it just happens to work differently in SeaMonkey. Probably not exactly a wrong behaviour, but different

"are you a human?" And there is where I send a letter to the Clownflare CEO with a hair lock from my nether regions :P