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tomman
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tomman
FWIW, this doesn't work on the ancient pdf.js build I have here
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tomman
so... I'm safe?
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nsITobin
tomman: I wonder how many years it has been since I pushed for removing pdf.js from Pale Moon...
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nsITobin
for this very eventuality (cause keeping it actually up to date was the other choice)
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tomman
I actually always hated browser plugins for PDF, but then that's Adobe trauma for ya~
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tomman
but yeah, PDF is just a too complex format for its own good
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tomman
again, blame Adobe
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nsITobin
i prefer plugins for alien content
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nsITobin
I'd prefer flash or silverlight for video
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nsITobin
but going that route I have even more demands
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nsITobin
because why wouldn't i lol
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nsITobin
tomman
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tomman
PDF became a web standard for me many moons ago, when we figured out that the only way to send HTML to that printer and not end destroying your nerves was... hard render it to PDF :D
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nsITobin
PDF is NOT a web standard
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nsITobin
its not a web format at all
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nsITobin
it has no business being displayed as if it was an html page or image without specialized software
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nsITobin
if js an extension then but a plugin is my choice
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nsITobin
or an external client
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nsITobin
is even better
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nsITobin
a pdf reader as it were
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tomman
For me I need both, sadly
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nsITobin
why? why does the browser need to display it
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nsITobin
why can't it be downloaded read discarded or download read filled out and submitted
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nsITobin
simple
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nsITobin
effective
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nsITobin
doesn't require 800 js libs
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tomman
Because firing extra software is a waste of resources, but then... I'm talking from conceptions rooted in the Adobe Acrobat bloatfest era
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nsITobin
firing up a million subprocesses is a waste of resources.. wasting resources does NOT factor in unless its a power waste and it can be linked back to them
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tomman
if anything, pdf.js proved you don't need a security wreck of external software to render 90% of the PDFs out there
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nsITobin
no you need a security wreak of a browser
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tomman
Now, you and me are nerds and can tell which is the best tool depending on any particular scenario
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nsITobin
for literally everything
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nsITobin
no matter if you want it or not
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tomman
but when dealng with Other People's Computers, the less software you have to manage for them, the better
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nsITobin
the best tool is specific software that is designed for the purpose for which it is employed
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tomman
if you think PDFs on a browser is ridiculous, now try controlling a PRINTER from a webapp
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tomman
say, print to custom paper sizes, deal with margins and that stuff
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nsITobin
well then users need to stop using computers OR learn how to manage them selves effectively if not the then definition of proper
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tomman
as a maintainer of some internal webapp (no JS abuse, thankfully), we found long ago that browsers and printers do not mix, except via PDFs
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nsITobin
do you know why?
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nsITobin
because PDF is not a web format its a printer format
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nsITobin
or more properly a display technology commonly mapped to printers except if you have a mac
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tomman
Indeed it's a document presentation format, but once again people expect for one app to do everything
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tomman
and these days that app shall be Google Chr--- the web browser
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nsITobin
people have been misinformed or have specifically ignored the natural conclusion from experience
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tomman
and as someone that maintains software for the government, sadly we cant tell them to set their printers ablaze (as much as I want!)
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nsITobin
i think most do it to conform.. you don't want to stand out or look dumb trying to ask a question about something most don't use
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tomman
just yesterday I charged $20 for one of those offices to unfuck their HP MFP 135W on one of their W10 workstations :P
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nsITobin
conformity does not work
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nsITobin
see Pale Moon
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tomman
next time I get called to service an HP anything, I'll bring a baseball bat
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nsITobin
I miss my HP Deskjet 720c
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nsITobin
it was a decent ink jet printer
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nsITobin
basically an hp eq to the mid-teir bubblejet
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nsITobin
frg_Away: Moonchild backported 3 security patches how many are in seamonkey this round cause you have all three he applied to UXP
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frg_Away
nsITobin 2 not sure #3 was from mozilla
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frg_Away
üpickec the esr115 ones for 2.53.20
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nsITobin
well he doesn't properly attribute security patches to keep dem hackers away from all couple thousand Pale Moon users give or take Brazil
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nsITobin
ok the third seeming sec patch looks like adhoc development to match current mozilla code .. tho i can't seem to annotate or git blame to find the change it is blocked by the clang reformat
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frg_Away
Usually you can show the last commit before the reformat
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nsITobin
yeah i'd have to go before that commit in the tree and then try and view history that way but its blocking git blame
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nsITobin
maybe you will reconize the change
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nsITobin
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nsITobin
i do know it is before the inital commit on the seamonkey git
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frg_Away
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frg_Away
not sure it is this one but recent
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frg_Away
Only use of npon token and not in 115
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frg_Away
^npn token
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nsITobin
yeah that's the change added after the thing gets assigned to rv
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nsITobin
anyway not important rest well frg