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nsITobin
well good news is I can export all the status meetings into some bastardized xml format the issue the content gets entity'd I will need to run tests to see if I can un-entity it without having to do any crazy fixups
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nsITobin
mozilla's mediawiki has an export feature
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nsITobin
view-source:https://wiki.mozilla.org/Special:Export/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-01-05
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frg_Away
nsITobin hi
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nsITobin
hello
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franstam
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nsITobin
So I have setup this subdomain with an ftp server serving it for the SeaMonkey project to use as it sees fit.. set everyone up on it with a few at webroot and everyone else with their own subdirectory.. throw patches at each other or test builds or serve nightly builds .. whatever adhoc or regularly changing or modern infra sidestepping purpose you guys want to use the space for including an old style netscape about page if one is inclined.
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franstam
oh ok. did u find people abusing it? cos we cant have nice things?
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nsITobin
btw has anyone seen that chromium cef proxy that shits website screenshots at "old and insecure" browsers?
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nsITobin
basically its chrome + vnc but with http proxy servers
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nsITobin
Pale Moon users seem to be enammered
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franstam
what?
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nsITobin
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nsITobin
Pale Moon users want cloud based modern browsers so they can click on images in Pale Moon to PRETEND it can follow the insane fluid modern requirements of browsers..
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nsITobin
instead of doing what the god damned project was redesigned to do which is have modern browsing.. ANYWAY
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njsg
I can't wait to see cloudflare letting these proxies in while direct connections fail.
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njsg
but to be fair their business *is* MITM :-P
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nsITobin
i still say we just write up http/1.1 as impled in mozcode as a new specification for the web protocol
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nsITobin
impl'd*
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nsITobin
add the web:// scheme and push it as the solution to all the problems webapp corperate quic will cause for the proles
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nsITobin
like my self
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tomman
"it's a YOU problem, stop complaining about Clownflare, they produce a useful service for the 99%"
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tomman
ugh, still sour from last night, never complain about Big Tech at a IRC room full of fanboys that run ISPs
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nsITobin
well i have a better retort.. its not just a "me" problem.. it's a Tobin problem because the "me" is affected ;)
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tomman
"butbutbut you have to test it on Chrome, which you refuse, it could be a CGNAT problem or something else! You refuse to test, so your complaint is INVALID!"
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nsITobin
tomman: i want to have witnessed that
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tomman
well, the room is #networking, right here at Libera
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tomman
they don't like my rants about Clownflare being Clownflare
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nsITobin
ah i am sure I could get banned from there pretty easily and not even have to say "fuckin moron" or "exterminate" once ;)
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tomman
Nah, you will survive for more than that, but there are a bunch of other hotheads there
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tomman
Anyway, Clownflare Turnsick is the bane of my existence right now
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tomman
hope someone finds a nasty vulnerability there
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nsITobin
ah but you forget.. not only am I me.. I carry my legacy as the New Tobin Paradigm.. that asshole you guys had to deal with some years back.. I am sure I can achieve getting banned no problem.. WHY WON'T YOU LET ME GET BANNED TOMMAN?! lol
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tomman
because everybody else uses Chrome and have never heard from you or me :D
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tomman
bad rep is no rep if nobody is involved at your scene
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nsITobin
well MAYBE that needs to change.. tho have to pick the channels carefully cause too many channel bans in poopular channels and the network staff would HAVE to get involved and I can't even fault it.
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therube
sorry to hear.
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njsg
what I can imagine is that you could get at least two different, if not polar opposite reactions about Cloudflare in #emacs
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njsg
that's not a joke and that's meant as highlighting something good about that channel, that it does get different minds there depending on the time of day
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njsg
but yeah, there will be people reacting like that.
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njsg
but if someone is so attached to "shut up it's not a problem" and can't conceive doing engineering in the real world, they're out of touch. And they're lauding getting rid of the things that make the Internet what it is.
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njsg
Cloudflare has had visible skill problems, and perhaps either could not grasp the concept of testing, or lacked more tests
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njsg
and they've now decided to make their business "only this browsers will work"
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njsg
s@this@these@
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nsITobin
tomman: so.. not banned yet somehow
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nsITobin
I have expressed MANY opinions over there
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nsITobin
njsg: "can't conceive doing engineering in the real world"
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nsITobin
that sounds familar
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nsITobin
guess this is all fake
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njsg
hey, I'm now realizing that that'd also work as a review of the pentium FPU
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nsITobin
lol
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nsITobin
njsg: i mean this is the same "real world" where I was told by everyone on all sides that creating a Mozilla Add-ons Site without using umo, remora or zamboni was impossible.. did it anyway now they are letting Phoebus rot because it simply ain't fucked up yet beyond their own tinkering
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njsg
I'm just tired of people pretending the world is just [their preferred choice] and that everything else doesn't exist and/or that it's okay to drop compatibility and portability in what is supposed to be an open platform. That's already bad as a trend, *but* I wonder if we're getting in a state where an increasing number of people just believes that's not part of it at all, testing, browser support,
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njsg
(proper, non-WHATWG) standards...
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tomman
in other news, Intel is still doomed
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tomman
they should seriously consider merging with Boeing
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njsg
that'd be like inviting Stephen Elop to direct Nokia
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nsITobin
I mean I love MY preferences but shit what good are preferences when its all crap
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nsITobin
honestly njsg i didn't believe I would have to still be fighting this war by now.. I would have thought superior stability and incramental enhancement standing in the face of rabid release and living death standards would be enough
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nsITobin
to cast off this nightmare
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nsITobin
but they keep going
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njsg
(I'm not sure what the plan with Nokia and Elop was, and maybe I should check that, but... the near-time outcome was even stuff like Microsoft getting the Keilaniemi premises... and of course the death of what could have been a surviving segment of usable feature phones.)
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nsITobin
well I am specifically blaming Mozilla for ruining flipphones with b2g
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nsITobin
thats all i can find now
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njsg
nsITobin: In recent times, say, the past two years or so, I find myself repeatedly comparing this with the late nineties, the obsession some had with using all Microsoft and pretending the world was just Microsoft, and the browser wars. I'd say in some ways it's possible to say we're now at the same or worse...
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nsITobin
we are
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njsg
nsITobin: Nokia had S40, and of course S60, to name just two things that could have had a future. IIRC the new Nokia-branded product lines include something looking like S40 but which is said not to be the same, feature-wise.
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njsg
S40 is like, ok, it may have some things in design and organization that could be different, but overall it's still quite capable
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nsITobin
njsg: the future was the moto razr with android and NOT the one they released after the fact
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nsITobin
i wanted an original razr so badly
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nsITobin
but it was GSM only
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nsITobin
know what the crappy part of it is.. Japan continued to keep flip phones and got ANDROID flipphones
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nsITobin
maybe someone should fork Android Ginerbread and update it for modern devices ungoogled of course get the userspace on a newer kernel and that might be spiffy
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nsITobin
2.2 and 2.3 were the last versions I really liked
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nsITobin
that felt like a smartphone along the lines I prefered
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njsg
these days I guess in some countries more people are using GSM (as in 2G) now because of switch-offs
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njsg
I'm not sure what my ideal design would be. I think I've not had experience with Android 2.x so far.
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nsITobin
it wouldn't be good on a pure touch screen it needs buttons
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njsg
oh yes buttons for sure
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nsITobin
but pure touchscreens.. turns out not as good as buttons at least a few
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nsITobin
i dunno touching a screen still seems wrong except for resistive
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njsg
I'd say you'd want plenty of buttons even with a touchscreen. Make some actions doable by buttons too, have enough buttons for consistent actions through applications
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njsg
and a physical keyboard can be a good addition too, but at the very least, enough buttons to cover basic actions you expect a lot of programs to have, like showing a menu, going back, leaving, etc
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njsg
Ok, as much as I enjoy discussing this, I'm probably going AFK, it's some 8 hours before I can have coffee again and it's easier for me if I sleep through it.
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nsITobin
i know tomman said he didn't like candybars.. but this one is superior ..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_enV_(VX9900)
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nsITobin
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nsITobin
that
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tomman
That's not exactly a candybar...
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nsITobin
tho not as worn
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tomman
it's more like ye ole' Nokia Communicatore
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tomman
--Communicator
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nsITobin
tomman: exactly
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nsITobin
This si what android phones need to be
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nsITobin
and no folding displays don't count
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njsg
candybars, so it's like a phone uses different GSM bands, so in Europe you get Mars phones, in the US you go with Milky Way phones?
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tomman
I don't want to eat my phone, thanks :D
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njsg
(sorry, better joke quality needs caffeine)
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nsITobin
just much with the metrics some slim down here larger screen there.. nicer switches for the buttons
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nsITobin
you know
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nsITobin
but this general DESIGN would be great for someone like me
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nsITobin
and i can fuckin make a phone call without looking using the keypad
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nsITobin
but even if they JUST brought back an android slider
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tomman
BlackBerry was a huge seller in Venezuela, people simply loved the keyboards (and BBM was a plus that kept people locked into the platform)
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nsITobin
keyboard that would help so much
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nsITobin
tomman: i prefered the palm treo form factor over blackberries standard
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tomman
it was so huge that Android had a HARD time breaking into our market until 2013 or so
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nsITobin
fit better in the hand or hands
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nsITobin
frankly i'd be happer with a pots telephone network for voice comms.. worked fine for how many decades?
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nsITobin
and fiber for data
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tomman
at some point, 70% of the BlackBerries sold in Latin America were in my very own country
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nsITobin
so you bought the last 70% of blackberries?
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nsITobin
before they became irrelevant
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tomman
people was THAT addicted to them (I never liked them, and even when BB did a flip BB -the Pearl Flip- it was still running clumsy software)
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tomman
finally the BB killer was.... WhatsApp