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Tobin-WebIRC
So Let's Encrypt is ending email notices
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Tobin-WebIRC
Why? So they dont have to pay to send emails about xerts that expote every SIX DAYS?!
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Tobin-WebIRC
Forcing automation
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Tobin-WebIRC
Expire
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Tobin-WebIRC
Which makes let's encrypt unsuitable for me
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Tobin-WebIRC
I already have to propigate them already use dns verification becausr my web config is not conducive to this shit
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Tobin-WebIRC
It is fucking bullshit
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Tobin-WebIRC
Pay with cash or pay with blind obedience
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Tobin-WebIRC
Just more raising the god damned bar artifically of whom can have a website
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Tobin-WebIRC
I been saying that for a decade
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Tobin-WebIRC
Time to seek and locate if they have a public space to get banned from
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nsITobin
they literally tout automation automation success automation in their posts.. IF this was important for privacy and security it would not be left up to an automated process
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nsITobin
or be made less accessible unless you set up automation for your server to sooner or later weekly authorization to be seen as valid in $majorBrowsers
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nsITobin
That's the last fucking straw
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nsITobin
Seriously.
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nsITobin
It's gone too far.
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nsITobin
Streamlining technology that requires forced central auth for ... sharing thoughts and information
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nsITobin
No
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nsITobin
I won't support it anymore.
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nsITobin
So.. here is what needs dealt with.. 1) I will need CA cert money or everything collapses down to ONE wildcard ca cert.. 2) We need to come up with a strategy to add self-signed as a replacement for plain http and actually do it.. and get the moon people to do so as well..
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nsITobin
come up with modern mozilla patches that do it too try and sell them to the other Mozilla forks and then someone who is NOT me then sells the patch to mozilla proper ... but i suppose none of that is gonna happen either
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Harzilein
<nsITobin> I think me learning things and THEN judging is somehow worse than just an ignorant dismissal somehow
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Harzilein
:D
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Harzilein
also overloading yet again. probably in rust, eh?
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Harzilein
i guess it's sensible from a marketing perspective
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Harzilein
i think the word i'm missing is chutzpah :3
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nsITobin
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nsITobin
I will be banned from ALL Mozilla touched properies by summer!
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nsITobin
i mean
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nsITobin
this is important
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nsITobin
others should do the same
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nsITobin
tho getting banned is optional but not unlikely
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nsITobin
How about I just give up instead.
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nsITobin
I'll just do that
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nsITobin
I am done striking out anywhere.. there is nothing worth my time and effort. It's all fucked beyond repair. If anyone needs anything I'll be on my server.
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Tobin-WebIRC
For clarification i am not upset with anyone here at seamonkey i am just upset and being in the channel has been more disrraction than helpful to most including me. Time to break the habit and be here when it is relevant and helpful.
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frg_Away
nsITobin seems te 6 day ones are only optional. Probably for people wanting to have fun with expired certs. No notice looks like cost cutting which I can understand. 'Bulk emails do cost.
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nsITobin
frg_Away: 20 bucks says I just laid out their plan for them and they will do it exactly as I described because its simpler than what they were planning
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nsITobin
just .. much later when everyone has forgot
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nsITobin
i am ignoring it now
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nsITobin
nothing I can really do
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frg_Away
I can't tell. I am usually are happy to pay a few bucks for services and these free for all ones sooner or later run onto trouble. Would be the same with SeaMonkey if we had a million users and would need to pay for download traffice etc. Exactly the problem mozilla faces now.
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nsITobin
well open source used to look out for each other provide space and mirrors and stuff it is a core part of what I want to be able to provide but of course unless its access via seamonkey or something UXP based every browser will discriminate against my stuff .. and in turn i am locked out from stuff like cloudflare because of their abusive and discriminating of browsers that would otherwise access my site fine but modern browser descriminate against
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nsITobin
every level is blocked unless I provide the browser too or get people to use seamonkey unless i keep compramising my self and my systems to these manufactured requirements
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nsITobin
that will change the moment i get it working
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nsITobin
it is so frustrating and disempowering
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nsITobin
also frg_Away don't forget we used to be able to ship stuff at around 20 megs per target os.. now its more than a CD just to relase for windows linux and source
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nsITobin
forget langpacks or locale builds
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nsITobin
or mac
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nsITobin
or artifacts
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nsITobin
JUST basic release is like a cd every time
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nsITobin
last I checked for UXP it was like 3-400 for source tarball and each release was something like 35 megs plus the zip file another 35 megs and a mar file another 35 megs times every target os
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nsITobin
for seamonkey its even larger
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nsITobin
modern mozilla.. jesus
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frg_Away
Well cetran now has more than 550 rust crates in accounting for 400 MB source. Talk about bloat....
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frg_Away
^central
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frg_Away
Anyway can't change the world but I became picky where I spend my money and it is not on google or MS stuff.
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frg_Away
Mostly buy used hardware too these days.
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nsITobin
Well I may never know how to write proper c++ but I now have every confidence I can learn to some degree how to write classical Mozilla C++
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nsITobin
I have done a few things now so I should be able to learn more
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nsITobin
oddly enough my nsAesthetic PHP coding I been doing lately has helped me reconize certain bits
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nsITobin
frg_Away: if I have even the most remote chance of changing ELEMENTS of the world to be better I think it is gonna be based on what I produce cause what I say overall hasn't done much and is unlikely to do much going forward at least for the time being
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therube
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therube
SeaMonkey doesn't seem to crash, but then doesn't work either.
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therube
must be the new alt+right, er, trump, er, musk ;-)
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nsITobin
therube: I thought *I* was supposed to be the new altright..
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nsITobin
oh the FINAL AltRight
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nsITobin
yeah I was depercated in 2021
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nsITobin
removed in 2022
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nsITobin
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nsITobin
that is really the only relevent bit therube
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frg_Away
that is why I prefer the slow way going thru the mozilla patches. Usually not a problem then but slow....
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nsITobin
properly someone should craft a test to check for this null condition on structuredclonewriter writestring .. obviously seamonkey doesn't have bigint yet but bigint being a modern feature is likely what cf is testing for and the bogus value triggered the crash.. seamonkey may crash with a bogus nonbigint call to that method
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frg_Away
The wip branch has it
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nsITobin
frg_Away: seems Moonchild has gone from automated testing bad to all testing bad cause especially with stuff he backports from Mozilla he doesn't much test stuff let alone bash the hell out of releases during releng week
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nsITobin
and if I had not instilled personal testing responsibility on other remaining contributors UXP would be a disaster right now not just a touch delapidated in some areas
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nsITobin
the reason for the personal testing push? because Moonchild isn't good at pull requests and reviews either and often blindmerges
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nsITobin
frg_Away: how's it doing in WIP?
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nsITobin
guess I can see for my self :P
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frg_Away
end of 68 but slower now because i skipped stuff and need to do more rebases and/or checks.
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frg_Away
wasn't really in the mood too in the last weeks. Too much real life stuff.
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frg_Away
I am getting oome erros on startup with BigInt enabled but have not compiled with the latest fixes. Even with the OOM I see no fallout so not sure what is going on here.
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nsITobin
i doubt anyone expected you to be but fairly sure everyone appreciates what you have gotten done this year
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frg_Away
^oom errors
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frg_Away
I wish it would be faster. Too many sites break.
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frg_Away
dynamic imports seem to be fine and ebay is beter in wip but broken also becasue of the removed optional chaining for now.
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nsITobin
even if webcomponents .. customelements and shadowdom fall by the wayside which may happen esmodules will be here forever..
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nsITobin
unfortently
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frg_Away
can't say I dislike the modules concept. Web components on the other hand....
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nsITobin
well that's the real thing about all this.. each thing in isolution or only paired with a couple other things can be pretty cool.. but webcomponents doesn't really work like that you go in and eventually you are using react or coding your own slightly less convoluted js framework to be easier
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nsITobin
isolation*
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nsITobin
or a lot of ES6+ features it really needs all the rest or a significant chunk of it to do what is being done today..
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nsITobin
strictly speaking save for a few bits of sugar for example I really don't need anything more advanced than PHP 7.3 let alone 8.1 but more and more the language is changing into something else and older stuff is being busted for it.. after everything else.. I will fork PHP if it goes too far and just have it be the BinOC Server Language or some dumbass name.. Not like the top companies are gonna be clammering for my PHP solutions
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tomman
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42946718 the hottest Chromeism, fresh out the labs
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tomman
shipping next week on your favorite frame-not-works!4