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marte
hi all, it's been years i don't ask for support in a irc support chat, it's been years i don't use irc at all, i just discovered antix, i was seeking a distribution that allow me to resurrect an old notebook and i'm glad i've found antix, really impressive! I just have a single problem i can't solve by myself, for now :-) , i can't guess the root password, i've tried "demo" and other 5 or 6...
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marte
...more but they don't work, someone can try help me?
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UsL
probablt toor but how did he end up here of all places
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nsITobin
i just realized something
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nsITobin
SeaMonkey as of 2.1 would have been Netscape 10 and its been basically rolling release ever since
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nsITobin
if it stayed suite and existed
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nsITobin
a tidbit i bet some mozillaians at the time were aware of.. so basically we cna blame Windows 10 on Mozilla too
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nsITobin
but seriously good morning #seamonkey
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nsITobin
good morning frg_Away
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frg_Away
nsITobin greetings
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nsITobin
moving the xr to bismuth which I been finding every task other than doing that but i plum runout of related side tasks
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nsITobin
this late-moonchild era php is horrible btw.. i am surprised it actually works and keeps working
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nsITobin
then again i can say the same for the perl code
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nsITobin
glad to know my code quality is at least up to a hacked 25 year old perl program
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nsITobin
:P
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frg_Away
working on more wip backports but a bit busy in the coming days.
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nsITobin
i want to get the xref setup so it will run the queue for wip patches so there can actually be some cross... referencing... between release and wip
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nsITobin
it is just more moving parts so automation has more likelyhood of falling over
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nsITobin
when did I ping timeout because my system froze hard wouldn't even respond to power off
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nsITobin
ram is fine
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tomman
WOW
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tomman
JWZ blocked SeaMonkey!
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tomman
4Ø3
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tomman
NO ROBOTS
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tomman
IF YOU ARE NOT A ROBOT, UPGRADE YOUR OUTDATED SYSTEM SO THAT YOU STOP LOOKING LIKE A BOTNET OR A BULK DOWNLOADER.
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tomman
it worked until... less than one hour ago
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tomman
Either it's that, or his obviously borked and paranoid junk blocklists flagged my CGNAT IP
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tomman
"outdated system"
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tomman
piss off, Zawinski
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tomman
anyway, it seems that our creator finally disowned us
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Tekk
tomman: He said he was going to days ago
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Tekk
Chrome before 2023, firefox before 2021 or something like that
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tomman
hmmm, FF128ESR also gets blocked
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tomman
...starting to believe it's my CGNAT then
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Tekk
No, it hit me too
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tomman
oof
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tomman
the dude finally went mental, not just insane
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tomman
in the meanwhile, another toilet breaks at his nightclub
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nsITobin
WHAT?!
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nsITobin
JWZ lost his mind?
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tomman
more than usual, this time
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Tekk
nsITobin: He posted a few days ago that he noticed that most spammers and bots use user agents with old browser versions, so he was blocking all outdated user agents
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nsITobin
that's sad
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nsITobin
well fuk jwz then
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nsITobin
thanks for all the scapes and nets i guess
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Tekk
With the partial justification of "If you're using an outdated browser like this you ought to be smart enough to lie in your user agent string"
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nsITobin
yeah well jwz seems more old and insecure than seamonkey is
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tomman
his biggest mistake in life was buying that nightclub :P
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nsITobin
no his biggest mistake is letting andersen fuck everyone over for decades
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tomman
nah, they were "young and naive"
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tomman
...just like everybody in SF circa 1994
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Tekk
I don't think jwz had much say over andreesen :p
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Tekk
Honestly better solution than cloudflare or anubis or some shit
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tomman
...not really, because it once again harms innocent users
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tomman
eventually you will end blocking 90% of the Internet
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tomman
and by then, why even have users?
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tomman
Sadly the only solution to the AI/bot threat is legislation and proper law enforcement, which in real life means "this problem is unfixable, sorry"
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nsITobin
tomman: well least the pope isn't a nazi .. i was conserned about that if the catholic church has say chosen a cohort of pope benedict .. that would have been a fundamental shift in power
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Tekk
I dunno. I can't think of anyone who's gonna have a UAS that ancient unintentionally.
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Tekk
And the workaround is trivial
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Tekk
I have a hard time getting worked up over it
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tomman
that works for us nerds that know how to change the oil in our cars, but for regular users that just happen to share a liking to a specific website, it quickly becomes the equivalent of a nation state level blockade
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jonadab
jwz has always been a bit eccentric.
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tomman
hmmm, didn't noticed the 2.53.21 builds already identified as FF128
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tomman
what's the current Firefox version?
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tomman
...the hell, they're now up to 138
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jonadab
But his site (jwz.org) loads for me just fine in SM.
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Tekk
Oh hm
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Tekk
128 *is* the latest firefox esr
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Tekk
Okay that's really funny
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jonadab
FF increments the version number every few weeks. Keeping up with it is a treadmill. At one point I got disgusted and set my "User Agent Switcher"'s FF version number to 99.9, but of course soon enough that wasn't enough any more.
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tomman
ha!
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tomman
tried with a made up user agent, and... it let me in
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Tekk
Mozilla has a firefox browser comparison page where all of them are "Firefox is more private by default!" except brave, which is "Brave's defaults are too private! It might break websites! Also you have to go into the settings page to change your search engine"
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tomman
literally tried with the most JWZ user agent ever: "Fuck/You (dontcare; 0.1)"
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tomman
and that worked
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Tekk
I bet my old user agent would work
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tomman
but definitely FF128 is banned despite being the active ESR version
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Tekk
I used to claim I was Mosaic on GEM+DRDOS :)
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tomman
hmmm, something is inconsistent
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tomman
now my FF128ESR setup connects fine
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tomman
so it's... not user agent related after all
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nsITobin
or you pass and your ip is whitelisted
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nsITobin
for a time
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tomman
it's definitely related to his nightclub toilets, I swear!
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tomman
but yeah, my CGNAT is a curse
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tomman
especially given the weird way my ISP set it up
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Tekk
I can get in on firefox 128
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Tekk
Maybe he's blocking a specific 128 point?
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Tekk
Like nothing older than 128.6 or w/e
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tomman
Tekk: not really - I tried on whatever version is shipped on Debian half an hour ago, and got blocked
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tomman
then tried right now, and... was no longer blocked
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nsITobin
Mozilla/5.0 (California Night Club; rv:128.0) FlushMaster/3.0
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Tekk
I just double checked his blog post
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Tekk
He said he's blocking any mozilla UA before 2017
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Tekk
It makes no sense why seamonkey is blocked. Quantum was well after 2017
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nsITobin
i dunno maybe he hates us
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Tekk
I mean seamonkey *is* the spawn of navigator 4
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nsITobin
i mean he still works on fuckin xscreensaver even tho all distros will be wayland only by 2027 why not help us
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tomman
I guess for the same reason he refuses to update from the last iPhone with a headphone jack
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tomman
(instead of defecting to Android, where we still have choice... somewhat)
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nsITobin
he shouldn't even HAVE an iphone
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nsITobin
what kind of person has an iphone?!
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nsITobin
techie wise
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Tekk
He's been big on apple ever since osx
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nsITobin
I mean I love NeXTStep too but fuck.. we got open source shit for that now
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tomman
These days he still remains on Apple because of his hateboners on both Microsoft ("they killed my company") and Linux ("Linux UI sucks")
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nsITobin
or is it that apple stole his screensaver so he has to suck up forever since they STILL have it
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Tekk
In fairness linux ui does still suck :)
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tomman
but he has been growing displeased with the increasing number of post-Jobs annoyances on Apple software
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Tekk
Now more than 10 years ago even
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Tekk
nsITobin: Oh that's nother reason for the linux hateboner
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tomman
Tekk: That got countered by the fact that the entire software industry went into a dork age
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tomman
or got eaten by the cellphoneworms
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Tekk
Most of the DE screensavers are shit forks of xscreensaver
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nsITobin
Tekk: well you should help me make a GOOD linux ui like what we should have gotten 15 years ago
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Tekk
nsITobin: I already made one. Sadly there's only so much a wm can do
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Tekk
:p
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tomman
it's not that Linux has improved (to be fair... it has not), but the rest of the industry got MUCH worse
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Tekk
I'll probably make it a wayland compositor if wayland is ever stable
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nsITobin
Tekk: so never
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nsITobin
good
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tomman
"living standard"
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nsITobin
no one should help wayland
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Tekk
Never has more or less been my conclusion, yeah
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nsITobin
we need to fork x11 first
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nsITobin
before they ruin it
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tomman
go prepare the Kickstsarter
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tomman
I propose calling it... X12
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nsITobin
tomman: don't need no kickstarter also I was thinking xfre64
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nsITobin
i wanna piss off both parties and yes xfre86 still *technically* exists
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Tekk
Also I guess wayland might become kinda stable supposedly now kinda-sorta
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Tekk
Now that everyone but gnome has given up on doing their own thing and has just adopted wlroots iirc
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Tekk
So now there's like...an actual standard way of doing things
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nsITobin
i did not wait 20 fucking years to get to Linux to have every thing I wanted ripped from me
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nsITobin
no one but the United States Government can stop me now!
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tomman
I'm fine with what I have, thanks~
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tomman
just keep the Electron and the Node away from me, please
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nsITobin
tomman: know what electron if it had widevine would be good for.. a standalone pwa runner.. the only god damned thing you need modern shit for.. the meaningful web still largely and increasingly works on our prefered navigators