hi all, it's been years i don't ask for support in a irc support chat, it's been years i don't use irc at all, i just discovered antix, i was seeking a distribution that allow me to resurrect an old notebook and i'm glad i've found antix, really impressive! I just have a single problem i can't solve by myself, for now :-) , i can't guess the root password, i've tried "demo" and other 5 or 6...

...more but they don't work, someone can try help me?

probablt toor but how did he end up here of all places

i just realized something

SeaMonkey as of 2.1 would have been Netscape 10 and its been basically rolling release ever since

if it stayed suite and existed

a tidbit i bet some mozillaians at the time were aware of.. so basically we cna blame Windows 10 on Mozilla too

but seriously good morning #seamonkey

good morning frg_Away

nsITobin greetings

moving the xr to bismuth which I been finding every task other than doing that but i plum runout of related side tasks

this late-moonchild era php is horrible btw.. i am surprised it actually works and keeps working

then again i can say the same for the perl code

glad to know my code quality is at least up to a hacked 25 year old perl program

:P

working on more wip backports but a bit busy in the coming days.

i want to get the xref setup so it will run the queue for wip patches so there can actually be some cross... referencing... between release and wip

it is just more moving parts so automation has more likelyhood of falling over

when did I ping timeout because my system froze hard wouldn't even respond to power off

ram is fine

WOW

JWZ blocked SeaMonkey!

4Ø3

NO ROBOTS

IF YOU ARE NOT A ROBOT, UPGRADE YOUR OUTDATED SYSTEM SO THAT YOU STOP LOOKING LIKE A BOTNET OR A BULK DOWNLOADER.

it worked until... less than one hour ago

Either it's that, or his obviously borked and paranoid junk blocklists flagged my CGNAT IP

"outdated system"

piss off, Zawinski

anyway, it seems that our creator finally disowned us

tomman: He said he was going to days ago

Chrome before 2023, firefox before 2021 or something like that

hmmm, FF128ESR also gets blocked

...starting to believe it's my CGNAT then

No, it hit me too

oof

the dude finally went mental, not just insane

in the meanwhile, another toilet breaks at his nightclub

WHAT?!

JWZ lost his mind?

more than usual, this time

nsITobin: He posted a few days ago that he noticed that most spammers and bots use user agents with old browser versions, so he was blocking all outdated user agents

that's sad

well fuk jwz then

thanks for all the scapes and nets i guess

With the partial justification of "If you're using an outdated browser like this you ought to be smart enough to lie in your user agent string"

yeah well jwz seems more old and insecure than seamonkey is

his biggest mistake in life was buying that nightclub :P

no his biggest mistake is letting andersen fuck everyone over for decades

nah, they were "young and naive"

...just like everybody in SF circa 1994

I don't think jwz had much say over andreesen :p

Honestly better solution than cloudflare or anubis or some shit

...not really, because it once again harms innocent users

eventually you will end blocking 90% of the Internet

and by then, why even have users?

Sadly the only solution to the AI/bot threat is legislation and proper law enforcement, which in real life means "this problem is unfixable, sorry"

tomman: well least the pope isn't a nazi .. i was conserned about that if the catholic church has say chosen a cohort of pope benedict .. that would have been a fundamental shift in power

I dunno. I can't think of anyone who's gonna have a UAS that ancient unintentionally.

And the workaround is trivial

I have a hard time getting worked up over it

that works for us nerds that know how to change the oil in our cars, but for regular users that just happen to share a liking to a specific website, it quickly becomes the equivalent of a nation state level blockade

jwz has always been a bit eccentric.

hmmm, didn't noticed the 2.53.21 builds already identified as FF128

what's the current Firefox version?

...the hell, they're now up to 138

But his site (jwz.org) loads for me just fine in SM.

Oh hm

128 *is* the latest firefox esr

Okay that's really funny

FF increments the version number every few weeks. Keeping up with it is a treadmill. At one point I got disgusted and set my "User Agent Switcher"'s FF version number to 99.9, but of course soon enough that wasn't enough any more.

ha!

tried with a made up user agent, and... it let me in

Mozilla has a firefox browser comparison page where all of them are "Firefox is more private by default!" except brave, which is "Brave's defaults are too private! It might break websites! Also you have to go into the settings page to change your search engine"

literally tried with the most JWZ user agent ever: "Fuck/You (dontcare; 0.1)"

and that worked

I bet my old user agent would work

but definitely FF128 is banned despite being the active ESR version

I used to claim I was Mosaic on GEM+DRDOS :)

hmmm, something is inconsistent

now my FF128ESR setup connects fine

so it's... not user agent related after all

or you pass and your ip is whitelisted

for a time

it's definitely related to his nightclub toilets, I swear!

but yeah, my CGNAT is a curse

especially given the weird way my ISP set it up

I can get in on firefox 128

Maybe he's blocking a specific 128 point?

Like nothing older than 128.6 or w/e

Tekk: not really - I tried on whatever version is shipped on Debian half an hour ago, and got blocked

then tried right now, and... was no longer blocked

Mozilla/5.0 (California Night Club; rv:128.0) FlushMaster/3.0

I just double checked his blog post

He said he's blocking any mozilla UA before 2017

It makes no sense why seamonkey is blocked. Quantum was well after 2017

i dunno maybe he hates us

I mean seamonkey *is* the spawn of navigator 4

i mean he still works on fuckin xscreensaver even tho all distros will be wayland only by 2027 why not help us

I guess for the same reason he refuses to update from the last iPhone with a headphone jack

(instead of defecting to Android, where we still have choice... somewhat)

he shouldn't even HAVE an iphone

what kind of person has an iphone?!

techie wise

He's been big on apple ever since osx

I mean I love NeXTStep too but fuck.. we got open source shit for that now

These days he still remains on Apple because of his hateboners on both Microsoft ("they killed my company") and Linux ("Linux UI sucks")

or is it that apple stole his screensaver so he has to suck up forever since they STILL have it

In fairness linux ui does still suck :)

but he has been growing displeased with the increasing number of post-Jobs annoyances on Apple software

Now more than 10 years ago even

nsITobin: Oh that's nother reason for the linux hateboner

Tekk: That got countered by the fact that the entire software industry went into a dork age

or got eaten by the cellphoneworms

Most of the DE screensavers are shit forks of xscreensaver

Tekk: well you should help me make a GOOD linux ui like what we should have gotten 15 years ago

nsITobin: I already made one. Sadly there's only so much a wm can do

:p

it's not that Linux has improved (to be fair... it has not), but the rest of the industry got MUCH worse

I'll probably make it a wayland compositor if wayland is ever stable

Tekk: so never

good

"living standard"

no one should help wayland

Never has more or less been my conclusion, yeah

we need to fork x11 first

before they ruin it

go prepare the Kickstsarter

I propose calling it... X12

tomman: don't need no kickstarter also I was thinking xfre64

i wanna piss off both parties and yes xfre86 still *technically* exists

Also I guess wayland might become kinda stable supposedly now kinda-sorta

Now that everyone but gnome has given up on doing their own thing and has just adopted wlroots iirc

So now there's like...an actual standard way of doing things

i did not wait 20 fucking years to get to Linux to have every thing I wanted ripped from me

no one but the United States Government can stop me now!

I'm fine with what I have, thanks~

just keep the Electron and the Node away from me, please

tomman: know what electron if it had widevine would be good for.. a standalone pwa runner.. the only god damned thing you need modern shit for.. the meaningful web still largely and increasingly works on our prefered navigators